1 00:00:21,330 --> 00:00:19,800 the planets up the masters almost surely 2 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:21,340 have a plan 3 00:00:26,529 --> 00:00:23,650 this clearly may be something near 4 00:00:30,420 --> 00:00:26,539 beyond the realm of man 5 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:33,460 you think you know the less you barely 6 00:00:55,729 --> 00:00:42,400 because we know 7 00:01:01,200 --> 00:00:59,370 all right higher side chatters I think 8 00:01:03,330 --> 00:01:01,210 many of us can agree we have watched the 9 00:01:05,609 --> 00:01:03,340 disease that is private fractional 10 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:05,619 reserve banking and the profit or bust 11 00:01:10,590 --> 00:01:08,290 mindset slowly erode or in fact nearly 12 00:01:12,540 --> 00:01:10,600 all aspects of reality from the 13 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:12,550 exhausted environment to the march of 14 00:01:16,980 --> 00:01:14,410 the military-industrial complex to the 15 00:01:19,170 --> 00:01:16,990 live spent and unfulfilled jobs just to 16 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:19,180 pay off the debt that got them there our 17 00:01:23,820 --> 00:01:21,550 societal and personal motivations are so 18 00:01:25,980 --> 00:01:23,830 warped by the screen monopoly money that 19 00:01:28,529 --> 00:01:25,990 people regularly debate what behaviors 20 00:01:30,300 --> 00:01:28,539 even reflect true human nature versus 21 00:01:33,180 --> 00:01:30,310 the crack like addiction we have this 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:33,190 hamster wheel cycle of greed debt and 23 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:35,890 consumerism it's a lot to unpack and 24 00:01:40,380 --> 00:01:37,690 many of us recognize this destructive 25 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:40,390 and sociopathic system cannot continue 26 00:01:44,969 --> 00:01:42,729 forever but before much can be done we 27 00:01:47,430 --> 00:01:44,979 need the communal equivalent of a full 28 00:01:49,710 --> 00:01:47,440 medical evaluation diagnosis and 29 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:49,720 treatment plan and lucky for us one of 30 00:01:53,730 --> 00:01:51,729 my favorite physicians of finance and 31 00:01:56,100 --> 00:01:53,740 doctors of the debt based system of rule 32 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:56,110 is here to drop some knowledge his name 33 00:02:01,020 --> 00:01:57,970 is John McMurtry he's a retired 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:01,030 professor of philosophy expert in value 35 00:02:05,179 --> 00:02:02,770 theory and author of several books 36 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:05,189 including the cancer stage of capitalism 37 00:02:09,150 --> 00:02:07,570 you've seen him in zeitgeist moving 38 00:02:11,490 --> 00:02:09,160 forward and now on the day before 39 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:11,500 election day it is an honor and a 40 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:13,510 pleasure to have him here John welcome 41 00:02:18,330 --> 00:02:15,970 to the higher side my pleasure - great 42 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:18,340 yeah man thanks for doing this I'm 43 00:02:22,740 --> 00:02:21,010 absolutely psyched to be able to talk to 44 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:22,750 you about some of this stuff well I just 45 00:02:29,490 --> 00:02:26,140 wanted to say Greg I wanted to applaud 46 00:02:32,390 --> 00:02:29,500 your introduction and you've compelled a 47 00:02:35,699 --> 00:02:32,400 lot into you know a few moments of 48 00:02:39,210 --> 00:02:35,709 exposition and what you know we can 49 00:02:41,850 --> 00:02:39,220 develop develop at many spots one of the 50 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:41,860 spots that will fractional-reserve for 51 00:02:47,370 --> 00:02:44,890 example is very much part of the cancer 52 00:02:50,130 --> 00:02:47,380 system the cancer system just you know 53 00:02:53,789 --> 00:02:50,140 maybe we get the physicians diagnosis 54 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:53,799 here the cancer system is the disease 55 00:02:59,160 --> 00:02:55,690 and it's a disease and transnational 56 00:03:02,970 --> 00:02:59,170 money sequences without inhibition over 57 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:02,980 kind of expanding everywhere over 58 00:03:07,650 --> 00:03:05,470 running all life's needs and so on and 59 00:03:10,170 --> 00:03:07,660 that's behind other than its going on 60 00:03:12,650 --> 00:03:10,180 from the wars - you know there's a loss 61 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:12,660 of infrastructure to everything you 62 00:03:17,820 --> 00:03:15,370 identified now fractional reserve 63 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:17,830 banking is certainly a key part of it 64 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:20,010 it's sort of you might say the original 65 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:23,890 disorder but it's been around really 66 00:03:30,990 --> 00:03:26,490 through modernity what we've seen since 67 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:31,000 2008 2007 and 8 is the handing out of 68 00:03:35,460 --> 00:03:33,250 the bank so though you know fractional 69 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:35,470 reserve isn't enough they spent it all 70 00:03:39,810 --> 00:03:37,510 in hospital and they're speculating on 71 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:39,820 and so the government with the u.s. 72 00:03:44,790 --> 00:03:42,370 leading have given tree and after 73 00:03:49,590 --> 00:03:44,800 treating in the case in the u.s. it was 74 00:03:51,540 --> 00:03:49,600 over 17 trillion by two years ago and 75 00:03:54,390 --> 00:03:51,550 Bernie Sanders was the one who insisted 76 00:03:57,450 --> 00:03:54,400 on exposing as crews ability to do so 77 00:03:59,250 --> 00:03:57,460 from the Senate now that trillions and 78 00:04:01,740 --> 00:03:59,260 trillions it adds up to more than the 79 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:01,750 whole gross national product and that 80 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:03,850 has just been given to the bank with no 81 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:06,130 fractional reserve this was to 82 00:04:11,130 --> 00:04:09,370 recapitalize them so the cancer system 83 00:04:12,870 --> 00:04:11,140 has gotten worse and worse 84 00:04:16,260 --> 00:04:12,880 fractional-reserve is just the original 85 00:04:18,210 --> 00:04:16,270 drive wheel but now it's just giving the 86 00:04:20,370 --> 00:04:18,220 money straight out from the public 87 00:04:22,590 --> 00:04:20,380 sector which is meanwhile deprived and 88 00:04:25,050 --> 00:04:22,600 dispossessed like people who benefited 89 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:25,060 from the public sector what I call the 90 00:04:30,060 --> 00:04:27,370 civil comments that make their lives 91 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:30,070 safe and secure it's taken all that 92 00:04:36,890 --> 00:04:33,730 they've raided all the public sector 93 00:04:39,570 --> 00:04:36,900 options and capacities like 94 00:04:41,250 --> 00:04:39,580 infrastructures to be able to really 95 00:04:43,050 --> 00:04:41,260 sustain the people because the only 96 00:04:45,870 --> 00:04:43,060 thing that matters is transnational 97 00:04:48,060 --> 00:04:45,880 money sequences and bribing them as well 98 00:04:50,490 --> 00:04:48,070 through corporations not just through 99 00:04:53,070 --> 00:04:50,500 the trillions to the bank but most of 100 00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:53,080 the public expenditures today are really 101 00:04:58,050 --> 00:04:55,360 being picked up by for example the whole 102 00:05:00,240 --> 00:04:58,060 so-called green technology that's wrong 103 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:00,250 really money flowing from the public 104 00:05:05,730 --> 00:05:03,010 sector into the corporations 105 00:05:08,340 --> 00:05:05,740 transnational corporations pockets for a 106 00:05:11,790 --> 00:05:08,350 huge guaranteed profits and ineffective 107 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:11,800 solutions so in short I would respond 108 00:05:16,890 --> 00:05:14,530 yes yes yes to what you say but don't 109 00:05:19,890 --> 00:05:16,900 think it just depends on this fractional 110 00:05:21,180 --> 00:05:19,900 reserve system yes it does but there's a 111 00:05:23,370 --> 00:05:21,190 lot worse happening 112 00:05:25,620 --> 00:05:23,380 here they'd indicate the carcinogenic 113 00:05:28,110 --> 00:05:25,630 nature of this whole system at the 114 00:05:29,970 --> 00:05:28,120 social level of life organization which 115 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:29,980 I can explain if you'd like me to just 116 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:33,850 go on with why I use the model of a 117 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:37,150 cancer to diagnose the disease that you 118 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:39,130 started with with your lovely 119 00:05:42,630 --> 00:05:41,260 introduction sure yeah absolutely I 120 00:05:44,130 --> 00:05:42,640 think those are terms that a lot of 121 00:05:46,590 --> 00:05:44,140 people probably aren't used to hearing 122 00:05:48,540 --> 00:05:46,600 equated to economics but you do a great 123 00:05:49,260 --> 00:05:48,550 job I think yeah definitely elaborate on 124 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:49,270 that for us 125 00:05:53,490 --> 00:05:51,370 well if we get to look at the cancer 126 00:05:55,230 --> 00:05:53,500 model itself and then I'll go into the 127 00:05:57,660 --> 00:05:55,240 money sequences how it works at the 128 00:06:00,630 --> 00:05:57,670 social level of organization but I was 129 00:06:03,510 --> 00:06:00,640 driven to the cancer model of diagnosis 130 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:03,520 by originally doing an article which was 131 00:06:10,380 --> 00:06:07,690 medically refereed back in 1995 and I 132 00:06:12,660 --> 00:06:10,390 really wanted to understand what was 133 00:06:15,060 --> 00:06:12,670 happening here but through the lens of 134 00:06:17,340 --> 00:06:15,070 what I think is the most effective form 135 00:06:20,580 --> 00:06:17,350 of analysis that we have which is 136 00:06:23,190 --> 00:06:20,590 medical diagnosis but medical diagnosis 137 00:06:25,290 --> 00:06:23,200 doesn't work beyond what philosophers 138 00:06:26,940 --> 00:06:25,300 call the agent relative level or beyond 139 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:26,950 the individual level the atomic level 140 00:06:30,659 --> 00:06:28,750 they just look at the body the 141 00:06:33,090 --> 00:06:30,669 individual body itself and what are its 142 00:06:35,340 --> 00:06:33,100 problems including with cancer it'll be 143 00:06:38,220 --> 00:06:35,350 a cancer of the life host the individual 144 00:06:39,750 --> 00:06:38,230 life folks not the social life host they 145 00:06:41,370 --> 00:06:39,760 just can't get there through their 146 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:41,380 method so loaders are there are 147 00:06:46,590 --> 00:06:43,090 movements definitely in that direction 148 00:06:50,190 --> 00:06:46,600 since 1995 to understand the social 149 00:06:52,110 --> 00:06:50,200 disorder as a disease which is 150 00:06:54,890 --> 00:06:52,120 afflicting at the social level of life 151 00:06:57,450 --> 00:06:54,900 organization but has much the same 152 00:07:00,060 --> 00:06:57,460 characteristics distinguish it so that 153 00:07:02,580 --> 00:07:00,070 with a cancer for example I was driven 154 00:07:04,890 --> 00:07:02,590 to the cancer model also had like most 155 00:07:07,590 --> 00:07:04,900 people do have cancer in the family 156 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:07,600 cancer myself my wife died from cancer 157 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:11,050 so it was a model it was very clear to 158 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:14,910 me as a possibility and then the more I 159 00:07:18,659 --> 00:07:17,290 investigated it just more and more the 160 00:07:20,130 --> 00:07:18,669 evidence she always look at your 161 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:20,140 scientific you always look for 162 00:07:24,210 --> 00:07:22,450 disconfirming evidence as well as 163 00:07:26,010 --> 00:07:24,220 confirming evidence but you really want 164 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:26,020 to look for disconfirming evidence as 165 00:07:30,390 --> 00:07:28,090 much as you can to ensure that your 166 00:07:32,820 --> 00:07:30,400 diagnosis is correct and you're always 167 00:07:34,679 --> 00:07:32,830 open to more disconfirming evidence that 168 00:07:36,509 --> 00:07:34,689 you have to beat so that's the way 169 00:07:39,179 --> 00:07:36,519 was growing I didn't want to believe 170 00:07:41,609 --> 00:07:39,189 this I was driven to it by the phenomena 171 00:07:43,619 --> 00:07:41,619 so what what you know was happening with 172 00:07:46,409 --> 00:07:43,629 an individual level of cancer and what 173 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:46,419 I'm saying is just like a lot of laws of 174 00:07:53,009 --> 00:07:49,110 physics but even the laws of biology 175 00:07:55,829 --> 00:07:53,019 apply far beyond the individual level to 176 00:07:58,889 --> 00:07:55,839 the social and evolutionary level as a 177 00:08:01,619 --> 00:07:58,899 whole CERN with cancer itself 178 00:08:03,989 --> 00:08:01,629 it begins with and you know one 179 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:03,999 recognizes that Bryce first of all is 180 00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:05,649 there's something going at the cellular 181 00:08:11,249 --> 00:08:08,769 level in the technical sense tumors are 182 00:08:14,159 --> 00:08:11,259 created by cells that have lost the 183 00:08:16,469 --> 00:08:14,169 ability to assemble and create tissues 184 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:16,479 of normal form and function that's a 185 00:08:21,839 --> 00:08:18,550 technical definition of what's going on 186 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:21,849 mm-hmm but the key to that is that first 187 00:08:26,339 --> 00:08:24,089 of all is an uncontrolled and 188 00:08:28,729 --> 00:08:26,349 unregulated reproduction and 189 00:08:32,069 --> 00:08:28,739 multiplication cells multiplication 190 00:08:34,170 --> 00:08:32,079 inside a life host and the key thing is 191 00:08:36,209 --> 00:08:34,180 that it has not committed life function 192 00:08:38,459 --> 00:08:36,219 to the life host that's really the 193 00:08:39,839 --> 00:08:38,469 essence of a cancer it's not only 194 00:08:41,969 --> 00:08:39,849 uncontrolled and unregulated 195 00:08:44,970 --> 00:08:41,979 reproduction and multiplication like say 196 00:08:47,490 --> 00:08:44,980 a viruses but it has no commitment to 197 00:08:49,199 --> 00:08:47,500 the life host and it only multiplies to 198 00:08:52,889 --> 00:08:49,209 the point of the death of the life host 199 00:08:55,379 --> 00:08:52,899 which is now society so wraps a key 200 00:08:58,879 --> 00:08:55,389 feature and it's also recognized by or 201 00:09:01,650 --> 00:08:58,889 features is by its aggressive and it's 202 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:01,660 opportunistic and it appropriates all 203 00:09:06,869 --> 00:09:03,850 the nutrients and resources from its 204 00:09:08,999 --> 00:09:06,879 host in order to multiply itself further 205 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:09,009 and here you really start to say well 206 00:09:12,749 --> 00:09:10,569 that's just what's going on with these 207 00:09:14,970 --> 00:09:12,759 transnational private money sequences 208 00:09:17,369 --> 00:09:14,980 that have no life function to multiply 209 00:09:19,410 --> 00:09:17,379 their agencies within the body with 210 00:09:22,019 --> 00:09:19,420 absolutely no committed life function 211 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:22,029 and the key though in terms of the 212 00:09:26,970 --> 00:09:24,490 body's immune system defense and it also 213 00:09:30,689 --> 00:09:26,980 applies at the social level is it it's 214 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:30,699 not recognized by the immune system it's 215 00:09:34,710 --> 00:09:32,649 not effectively recognized by the immune 216 00:09:37,350 --> 00:09:34,720 system that's the whole key to fighting 217 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:37,360 cancer is you have to recognize it first 218 00:09:42,900 --> 00:09:39,610 and really the whole evolution of 219 00:09:45,090 --> 00:09:42,910 society is dealing with disorders that 220 00:09:48,009 --> 00:09:45,100 are multiplying through the body in 221 00:09:51,970 --> 00:09:48,019 somewhere or in the body so as 222 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:51,980 as to disorder it disease it and usually 223 00:09:57,579 --> 00:09:54,050 we recognize that the immune system is a 224 00:09:59,559 --> 00:09:57,589 miracle of evolution I mean it I can go 225 00:10:01,720 --> 00:09:59,569 into the definite description at the 226 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:01,730 level of the individual life host the 227 00:10:07,329 --> 00:10:04,970 organism but and in both cases the 228 00:10:10,179 --> 00:10:07,339 response to our possible diseases has 229 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:10,189 already been involved inside our immune 230 00:10:14,859 --> 00:10:12,529 system and it's you know the t-cells the 231 00:10:17,289 --> 00:10:14,869 killer cells the t-cells comes from the 232 00:10:20,049 --> 00:10:17,299 thymus gland up and in anyway it's a 233 00:10:22,780 --> 00:10:20,059 really a marvelous beautiful process of 234 00:10:26,189 --> 00:10:22,790 recognizing and then isolating and and 235 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:26,199 attacking and erasing this color enemy 236 00:10:31,449 --> 00:10:28,970 but the problem with the killer enemy is 237 00:10:33,419 --> 00:10:31,459 that this is really differentiates it 238 00:10:36,009 --> 00:10:33,429 from a virus that it is it a 239 00:10:38,470 --> 00:10:36,019 metastasizes across the host to jump 240 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:38,480 across the host it doesn't just spread 241 00:10:44,379 --> 00:10:41,689 by a LAN large circle somehow it jumps 242 00:10:46,629 --> 00:10:44,389 right across the host from one place to 243 00:10:50,049 --> 00:10:46,639 the other and in fact it can start at 244 00:10:52,809 --> 00:10:50,059 the sexual organs and end up as brain 245 00:10:55,059 --> 00:10:52,819 cancer or many many other possible 246 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:55,069 combinations but it metastasized which 247 00:11:00,400 --> 00:10:57,410 is the really scary thing it means that 248 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:00,410 your whole immune system is not working 249 00:11:05,710 --> 00:11:03,649 because it's gone by the soldiers that 250 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:05,720 normally pick these things out and 251 00:11:11,189 --> 00:11:07,970 they'd normally fight back and 252 00:11:14,379 --> 00:11:11,199 re-establish the health of the hopes it 253 00:11:17,109 --> 00:11:14,389 metastasizes and it metastasizes every 254 00:11:19,660 --> 00:11:17,119 which way they can metastasize across 255 00:11:21,819 --> 00:11:19,670 seemingly action at a distance leaping 256 00:11:23,710 --> 00:11:21,829 across the body from one part to another 257 00:11:25,269 --> 00:11:23,720 that's really distinguishes it and 258 00:11:27,639 --> 00:11:25,279 that's exactly what we see with 259 00:11:29,259 --> 00:11:27,649 transnational money sequences it really 260 00:11:31,569 --> 00:11:29,269 begins at that level where it 261 00:11:34,389 --> 00:11:31,579 metastasizes it just jumps from one 262 00:11:36,999 --> 00:11:34,399 realm or one domain and one society to 263 00:11:38,889 --> 00:11:37,009 the other you know how does it do this 264 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:38,899 well in fact it does this through these 265 00:11:43,809 --> 00:11:40,850 so-called trade treaties which are 266 00:11:46,569 --> 00:11:43,819 essentially to protect and increase the 267 00:11:49,869 --> 00:11:46,579 transnational money sequences against 268 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:49,879 all social life defenses that's the 269 00:11:57,689 --> 00:11:52,910 essence and the defining feature of the 270 00:12:00,450 --> 00:11:57,699 social level of cancer spread and and 271 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:00,460 disaster everywhere because that's it 272 00:12:05,340 --> 00:12:02,890 it's ongoing it just never stopped you 273 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:05,350 know these things have all fell must the 274 00:12:09,630 --> 00:12:07,330 wonder of company is that he is brought 275 00:12:12,540 --> 00:12:09,640 the dispossession phenomena that is 276 00:12:14,970 --> 00:12:12,550 going on but he doesn't call it a cancer 277 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:14,980 more and more people are but he's at 278 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:17,110 least drawing attention to what the mass 279 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:18,850 media the corporate media always 280 00:12:23,010 --> 00:12:21,130 repressed and will never report he's 281 00:12:25,769 --> 00:12:23,020 drawing attention to that that the whole 282 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:25,779 society the whole working society has 283 00:12:30,060 --> 00:12:27,850 been dispossessed and then belittled and 284 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:30,070 then left to fend for themselves in the 285 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:33,010 system that actually will tell one way 286 00:12:37,670 --> 00:12:35,170 or another and disease them on the way 287 00:12:40,170 --> 00:12:37,680 and that is happening so it 288 00:12:42,860 --> 00:12:40,180 progressively infiltrates and invades 289 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:42,870 but also by metastasis which is a 290 00:12:47,010 --> 00:12:44,890 distinguishing characteristic and 291 00:12:49,290 --> 00:12:47,020 nothing is allowed to limit when the 292 00:12:51,090 --> 00:12:49,300 cancer is functioning well nothing is 293 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:51,100 allowed to eliminate that's why these 294 00:12:55,350 --> 00:12:53,250 trade treaties they go right into your 295 00:12:58,260 --> 00:12:55,360 Constitution they become an obligation 296 00:13:00,630 --> 00:12:58,270 of the Constitution so the cancer system 297 00:13:03,260 --> 00:13:00,640 has gone into the Constitution itself 298 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:03,270 through trade simple trade trees 299 00:13:08,130 --> 00:13:05,529 essentially protection of transnational 300 00:13:10,530 --> 00:13:08,140 money sequences behaving in a cancerous 301 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:10,540 way nothing stops they'll just get rid 302 00:13:14,790 --> 00:13:12,730 of it and I can spend the rest of the 303 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:14,800 program identifying all the places in 304 00:13:19,740 --> 00:13:16,930 which that's true and all the ways in 305 00:13:21,690 --> 00:13:19,750 which is true and then this just goes on 306 00:13:24,570 --> 00:13:21,700 and on and we get more and more 307 00:13:26,850 --> 00:13:24,580 breakdowns of the life function of not 308 00:13:28,590 --> 00:13:26,860 only the individual body but the social 309 00:13:31,620 --> 00:13:28,600 level of life organization where the 310 00:13:34,410 --> 00:13:31,630 laws of biology apply as well it affects 311 00:13:37,260 --> 00:13:34,420 the host and the host is not even now I 312 00:13:39,810 --> 00:13:37,270 mean I keep track of when people 313 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:39,820 recognize it and there are there are a 314 00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:41,770 number of recognitions of it but it's 315 00:13:47,430 --> 00:13:44,800 usually screened out selected out of 316 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:47,440 anything important for example my 317 00:13:52,500 --> 00:13:50,050 interviews with newspapers they will 318 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:52,510 always eliminate any reference to that 319 00:13:56,430 --> 00:13:54,370 when they publish the interview it says 320 00:13:59,670 --> 00:13:56,440 you can count on their doing it so when 321 00:14:03,260 --> 00:13:59,680 I said for example the global capitalist 322 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:03,270 experiment has failed in Russia this was 323 00:14:09,569 --> 00:14:06,570 you know earlier on back in the 90s I 324 00:14:12,210 --> 00:14:09,579 said to two interviewers you know I just 325 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:12,220 I really want to insist that you do 326 00:14:15,070 --> 00:14:13,490 quote 327 00:14:17,530 --> 00:14:15,080 now you can do what you want with it but 328 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:17,540 I do want the idea to be communicated 329 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:19,490 and then the journalist would be a 330 00:14:26,050 --> 00:14:23,450 journalist that I custom would so agree 331 00:14:27,940 --> 00:14:26,060 and then it wouldn't come up and I what 332 00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:27,950 happens with the editorial level and it 333 00:14:33,699 --> 00:14:30,320 tells you about how the cancer system 334 00:14:35,860 --> 00:14:33,709 will work by roaring the social immune 335 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:35,870 system from recognition of what is wrong 336 00:14:38,410 --> 00:14:37,850 they just wouldn't let it in they won't 337 00:14:40,660 --> 00:14:38,420 let it 338 00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:40,670 I've done a lot of work for the mass 339 00:14:45,699 --> 00:14:43,070 media and one of them is by and letters 340 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:45,709 which I published probably thousands of 341 00:14:50,110 --> 00:14:47,930 them innumerable letters have been 342 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:50,120 published and headlined and so forth in 343 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:52,910 the in the media and one medium I more 344 00:14:58,060 --> 00:14:55,250 or less trusted was the Guardian weekly 345 00:15:00,280 --> 00:14:58,070 which is both the only newspaper with 346 00:15:02,889 --> 00:15:00,290 ads in it that I look at along the New 347 00:15:05,230 --> 00:15:02,899 York Times weekly have picked up on to 348 00:15:07,300 --> 00:15:05,240 so you start to see how the disorder is 349 00:15:10,030 --> 00:15:07,310 functioning that's why I do it or I 350 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:10,040 reported to them and just quoting an 351 00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:12,410 international law and that the invasion 352 00:15:14,889 --> 00:15:14,480 that everybody was saying was a sure 353 00:15:17,710 --> 00:15:14,899 thing 354 00:15:21,610 --> 00:15:17,720 going to happen in Iraq I identified it 355 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:21,620 as in very you know clipped journalistic 356 00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:24,170 terms that were documented that this was 357 00:15:29,710 --> 00:15:26,510 the supreme crime of international law 358 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:29,720 war of aggression and cited the the 359 00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:32,450 charge river from Nuremberg as well as 360 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:35,839 the right insider criminal code we have 361 00:15:40,569 --> 00:15:38,450 that so they just wouldn't publish it 362 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:40,579 and I hide it from different authors you 363 00:15:44,050 --> 00:15:42,050 know get another person with another 364 00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:44,060 name another place to send in the same 365 00:15:48,790 --> 00:15:46,160 thing because I I knew what was going to 366 00:15:50,350 --> 00:15:48,800 happen which is what did happen there 367 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:50,360 was going to be what this system 368 00:15:56,500 --> 00:15:54,380 specializes in an eco genocide and that 369 00:15:59,680 --> 00:15:56,510 indeed is what has happened in Iraq ever 370 00:16:01,240 --> 00:15:59,690 since right starting from 1991 but you 371 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:01,250 know they used to do it under the 372 00:16:06,610 --> 00:16:04,970 pretense of sanctions embargoes but it 373 00:16:08,260 --> 00:16:06,620 was the same thing just bombing their 374 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:08,270 infrastructure to smithereens 375 00:16:14,650 --> 00:16:10,850 so look 500 thousand children died from 376 00:16:17,980 --> 00:16:14,660 it and one the secretary of foreign 377 00:16:20,199 --> 00:16:17,990 affairs who was Madeleine Albright the 378 00:16:23,199 --> 00:16:20,209 hero Hillary Clinton US you know they're 379 00:16:25,180 --> 00:16:23,209 like joined-at-the-hip she was but you 380 00:16:27,220 --> 00:16:25,190 know this was Doctor Who her attention 381 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:27,230 that there was started with the hard 382 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:30,010 medical school identifying the deaths of 383 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:33,470 500,000 children and she said yes it is 384 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:35,690 a large price to pay but we think it is 385 00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:39,530 worth it hmm so there's no limit there 386 00:16:45,970 --> 00:16:43,040 is no limit to what they'll do right 387 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:45,980 what this system will do and there's a 388 00:16:50,530 --> 00:16:48,290 kind of a positional determinism within 389 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:50,540 it even if a person was okay when they 390 00:16:55,750 --> 00:16:52,880 went in as I thought the Clintons might 391 00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:55,760 be to begin with they get determined by 392 00:17:00,730 --> 00:16:57,920 the position with if they're within and 393 00:17:05,050 --> 00:17:00,740 the position that they're within is now 394 00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:05,060 a cancer system a cancer system and 395 00:17:09,970 --> 00:17:08,000 there are all the resistance that we see 396 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:09,980 going on around the world can be really 397 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:12,410 interpreted as a social immune reaction 398 00:17:16,570 --> 00:17:14,330 to what's happening but of course it's 399 00:17:19,210 --> 00:17:16,580 not reported in the facts it's not 400 00:17:23,740 --> 00:17:19,220 reported in the responses it's always 401 00:17:26,740 --> 00:17:23,750 and here becomes the primary the 402 00:17:30,430 --> 00:17:26,750 cornerstone of us ideology Imperial 403 00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:30,440 ideology is the blaming of the enemy the 404 00:17:35,050 --> 00:17:32,960 enemy the enemy and it could be anyone 405 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:35,060 at all it could be your local worker 406 00:17:40,570 --> 00:17:37,370 community organizer as it was through 407 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:40,580 Central America in the 80s with 408 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:44,330 presidential support and 90s biggest had 409 00:17:49,090 --> 00:17:47,510 death squads and so forth and it just it 410 00:17:51,130 --> 00:17:49,100 just continued because they were 411 00:17:52,780 --> 00:17:51,140 communists and that used to be the great 412 00:17:55,570 --> 00:17:52,790 enemy term once you call someone a 413 00:17:58,180 --> 00:17:55,580 communist as I did on an interview with 414 00:18:00,040 --> 00:17:58,190 a death squad officer who had reformed 415 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:00,050 and there was a community there's a 416 00:18:04,420 --> 00:18:02,510 World Summit in Toronto and there was a 417 00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:04,430 counter summit anyway I was a terrorist 418 00:18:10,330 --> 00:18:08,030 and I asked this former death squad 419 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:10,340 officer and he said just to give you a 420 00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:13,010 sense of how deep this identify as an 421 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:15,440 enemy that is an automatic enemy of the 422 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:17,510 listening audience and does this go like 423 00:18:22,660 --> 00:18:20,530 a million dog and they're salvations and 424 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:22,670 carrying on was their destructive 425 00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:26,570 activities it's okay he said well they 426 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:29,660 would say that people at the top would 427 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:33,440 identify someone as a communist or a 428 00:18:40,790 --> 00:18:36,890 Marxist and normally we would eliminate 429 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:40,800 that person or in person it was 430 00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:42,930 built-in don't hinder the police 431 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:45,750 apparatus an army apparatus as well as 432 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:49,410 the extra military forces that are very 433 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:52,050 much at work now Isis itself we you know 434 00:18:58,340 --> 00:18:55,170 it begins as the US organized for you 435 00:19:01,160 --> 00:18:58,350 know begins with in in Afghanistan to 436 00:19:03,860 --> 00:19:01,170 take down the Soviet Union and of course 437 00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:03,870 the Soviet Union was the enemy you can 438 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:06,480 just you just call it that close the 439 00:19:10,910 --> 00:19:08,910 enemy and anything is justifiable from 440 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:10,920 now on right and that's where there 441 00:19:16,730 --> 00:19:13,110 wasn't any such thing radius as this 442 00:19:20,030 --> 00:19:16,740 jihadism it didn't exist I traveled to 443 00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:20,040 the Middle East in as a younger man and 444 00:19:24,260 --> 00:19:21,420 traveled to all the countries in the 445 00:19:26,350 --> 00:19:24,270 Middle East and at that time there was 446 00:19:28,730 --> 00:19:26,360 no such thing there were key Hattie type 447 00:19:30,860 --> 00:19:28,740 mentalities for the postman organized 448 00:19:33,020 --> 00:19:30,870 force that we can thank the United 449 00:19:38,780 --> 00:19:33,030 States for and specifically Brzezinski 450 00:19:41,330 --> 00:19:38,790 so we have this system calling anything 451 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:41,340 that resisted the enemy and that's the 452 00:19:47,380 --> 00:19:43,770 cornerstone operation of the global 453 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:47,390 ideology and the disease that is carry 454 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:51,090 hmm man you covered quite a bit right 455 00:19:55,820 --> 00:19:53,310 there and I am I do love your breakdowns 456 00:19:58,220 --> 00:19:55,830 and I think cancer is a very appropriate 457 00:20:00,350 --> 00:19:58,230 analogy one quote that I really like 458 00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:00,360 from you that I think is important for 459 00:20:04,460 --> 00:20:02,880 people to remember on a personal level I 460 00:20:06,890 --> 00:20:04,470 think it gets into some of that is you 461 00:20:09,260 --> 00:20:06,900 say the most suppressed issue of our 462 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:09,270 epoch is the war between life capital on 463 00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:11,220 one hand and money capital on the other 464 00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:13,950 can you elaborate on that dichotomy and 465 00:20:20,420 --> 00:20:18,240 how to separate the two well in a way 466 00:20:23,090 --> 00:20:20,430 you've seen I've talked about the way 467 00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:23,100 the money capital system operates what 468 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:26,430 it has it he and come to it's cancer 469 00:20:31,220 --> 00:20:28,710 stage everything I've said in the last 470 00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,230 minutes has been really describing the 471 00:20:36,290 --> 00:20:33,600 phenomenon of the money sequence but the 472 00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:36,300 question goes deeper than that as we you 473 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:38,520 know you might say well I yeah I get the 474 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:40,650 phenomena I get mature identifying I get 475 00:20:48,110 --> 00:20:44,130 why it's cancer but exactly what's going 476 00:20:50,930 --> 00:20:48,120 on at the inner core the drive wheel of 477 00:20:53,810 --> 00:20:50,940 this whole system and this is at the 478 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:53,820 philosopher and muscle logician and I've 479 00:20:58,580 --> 00:20:54,450 worked 480 00:21:00,410 --> 00:20:58,590 as a logical sequence in work actually 481 00:21:03,860 --> 00:21:00,420 it's not publishing and I'm doing right 482 00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:03,870 now and I'll just what I have published 483 00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:07,200 and what you will see in the book too is 484 00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:10,380 the concept of rationality itself comes 485 00:21:17,030 --> 00:21:14,880 into play inside philosophy really sorry 486 00:21:19,010 --> 00:21:17,040 it starts with modernity itself and 487 00:21:22,010 --> 00:21:19,020 David Hume I won't go in and join Locke 488 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:22,020 I won't go into that source of it but 489 00:21:27,490 --> 00:21:24,960 what the key of it is and it still runs 490 00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:27,500 the understanding of say Harvard 491 00:21:33,820 --> 00:21:30,390 University's various scientific and 492 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:33,830 philosophical forms of what's going on 493 00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:38,250 rationality is self-maximizing choice or 494 00:21:43,460 --> 00:21:41,280 preference that's what it is so it 495 00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,470 begins right at the level everybody 496 00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:45,360 let's way evolution runs that's what we 497 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:47,700 are all naturally socially we have many 498 00:21:52,460 --> 00:21:50,130 many expressions of it human area human 499 00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:52,470 nature is naturally greedy and on and on 500 00:21:57,500 --> 00:21:55,140 we hear many many expressions of it but 501 00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:57,510 the underlying formula which actually 502 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:00,320 governs all American social science is 503 00:22:06,530 --> 00:22:03,570 and and all that it influences elsewhere 504 00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,540 which is considerable you know Eddie it 505 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:08,880 gets control of even higher research 506 00:22:12,170 --> 00:22:11,370 grants as it has now I'm going to just 507 00:22:15,130 --> 00:22:12,180 got much worse 508 00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:15,140 in any case rationality means by 509 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:18,180 presupposition if you're rational if you 510 00:22:23,140 --> 00:22:20,330 follow reason then it's the sauce 511 00:22:26,270 --> 00:22:23,150 maximizing preference you sequence in 512 00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:26,280 everything you have a choice in it's 513 00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:29,400 only self-maximizing choice well that 514 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:32,280 seems innocent enough in itself but the 515 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:35,010 soft maximizing choice you see it's only 516 00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:37,730 rational if you're consistently 517 00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,440 self-maximizing so if you do anything on 518 00:22:45,290 --> 00:22:43,200 anyone elses behalf saying the economy 519 00:22:48,050 --> 00:22:45,300 which is the you know the basic system 520 00:22:50,420 --> 00:22:48,060 at work here the so-called Agong is not 521 00:22:53,210 --> 00:22:50,430 economic at all it's the opposite but 522 00:22:55,670 --> 00:22:53,220 the so-called economy everybody every 523 00:22:59,090 --> 00:22:55,680 agent in the economy is presupposed by 524 00:23:02,450 --> 00:22:59,100 the pseudo subject of economics to be 525 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:02,460 self maximizing in their choice and all 526 00:23:07,730 --> 00:23:05,250 their models are based on that being the 527 00:23:10,250 --> 00:23:07,740 case and all the Wayne 528 00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:10,260 just you know the key is the sequencing 529 00:23:14,900 --> 00:23:12,390 if it just keeps on going it keeps on 530 00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:14,910 going for so far we don't have a disease 531 00:23:21,140 --> 00:23:18,720 in the social body but it slowly turns 532 00:23:24,260 --> 00:23:21,150 in you know becomes where what that 533 00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:24,270 equals it's basically equation that 534 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:26,820 always more money in value for the self 535 00:23:31,460 --> 00:23:28,610 whether the self is a transnational 536 00:23:34,610 --> 00:23:31,470 corporation or even a consumer and 537 00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:34,620 worker the self always maximizing he 538 00:23:40,010 --> 00:23:37,440 always wants more economic man always 539 00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:40,020 wants so close economic man always wants 540 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:42,600 more and he always wants more in money 541 00:23:48,020 --> 00:23:45,210 curve so that's a huge transition it 542 00:23:50,210 --> 00:23:48,030 takes evolution historical evolution of 543 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:50,220 a whole culture a dominant culture 544 00:23:57,380 --> 00:23:53,330 Imperial culture for 300 years or more 545 00:24:00,350 --> 00:23:57,390 but because it's a sequencing the dollar 546 00:24:02,419 --> 00:24:00,360 is more money value for the self meaning 547 00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:02,429 you know anything that soul cells 548 00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:04,710 maximizing including the corporation or 549 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:06,990 indeed these corporations together is 550 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:09,210 good so that's good and if you're not 551 00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:12,450 doing that it's bad but over is not 552 00:24:17,390 --> 00:24:14,940 efficient it's not productive so 553 00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:17,400 efficiency and productivity I always 554 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:19,320 mean people think all it means that 555 00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:21,450 things are going to come to us with less 556 00:24:27,530 --> 00:24:22,500 cost 557 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:27,540 are capitalist but that's all it means 558 00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:31,050 it means less costs or more efficiency 559 00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:34,440 or more productive only for those who 560 00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:36,630 are investing money had much more than 561 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:38,070 the need and live off their money 562 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:40,290 sequencing so once you get to their 563 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:42,570 efficiency in productivity is ever lower 564 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:45,330 cost to money sequences private money 565 00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:47,970 sequence transnational money sequences 566 00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:50,100 or you can see all the thing is done in 567 00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:51,630 accordance with order all that I 568 00:24:57,650 --> 00:24:54,809 described earlier is also called 569 00:25:00,290 --> 00:24:57,660 efficiency and productivity and it is in 570 00:25:02,330 --> 00:25:00,300 accordance with these formula which of 571 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:02,340 course are never revealed are never 572 00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:04,110 talked about they're just assumed as 573 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:06,150 given as called the primary and also an 574 00:25:11,660 --> 00:25:08,730 axiom and it's the first axiom of 575 00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,670 so-called economics so our efficiency 576 00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:13,679 and productivity only mean lower costs 577 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:16,020 and ever lower cost of money sequences 578 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:18,090 well that means lower labor costs that 579 00:25:20,659 --> 00:25:18,510 means 580 00:25:21,790 --> 00:25:20,669 labor can starve as long as you can get 581 00:25:24,130 --> 00:25:21,800 labor and there's lots of 582 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:24,140 we're out there and so it starves that's 583 00:25:28,180 --> 00:25:26,030 not sufficient that's productive I'm 584 00:25:30,610 --> 00:25:28,190 sorry these are the laws of efficiency 585 00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:30,620 these are the laws of productivity it's 586 00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,510 still going on now as people lose their 587 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:34,400 jobs in the States and millions of lost 588 00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:36,370 job in the States because the 589 00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,780 self-maximizing money sequences and 590 00:25:44,050 --> 00:25:41,360 transnational corporations for them this 591 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:44,060 rationale is productive it's efficient - 592 00:25:48,820 --> 00:25:46,370 nothing else is and so that's what the 593 00:25:51,310 --> 00:25:48,830 corporate media always carried as a 594 00:25:53,050 --> 00:25:51,320 story and that's what the president 595 00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:53,060 who's a very much positionally 596 00:25:57,790 --> 00:25:55,310 determined carries as a presupposition 597 00:26:00,220 --> 00:25:57,800 he must act in accordance with or 598 00:26:02,650 --> 00:26:00,230 they'll found a note and that's why 599 00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:02,660 Trump again has been important he 600 00:26:06,370 --> 00:26:04,520 doesn't understand this he doesn't 601 00:26:08,140 --> 00:26:06,380 understand what I've been saying but 602 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:08,150 what he does see and what he does 603 00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:10,910 understand what nobody else was allowed 604 00:26:17,230 --> 00:26:14,600 to say or speak in public is that much 605 00:26:19,090 --> 00:26:17,240 of our public more and more of our 606 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:19,100 public a working public have been 607 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:23,210 dispossessed they've screwed you no one 608 00:26:29,710 --> 00:26:27,890 was allowed to say this you could you 609 00:26:30,910 --> 00:26:29,720 can look through all the papers and 610 00:26:33,490 --> 00:26:30,920 you're not going to find that the 611 00:26:36,430 --> 00:26:33,500 system's groomed the working class of 612 00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,440 America but he is saying that that's 613 00:26:41,890 --> 00:26:38,480 what that's the good side of Trump right 614 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:41,900 we buddy also see you I can go on with 615 00:26:48,370 --> 00:26:44,330 that but I'd like to hear your question 616 00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:48,380 as we go on I can pick up sure sure 617 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:50,270 you know you did mention so-called 618 00:26:54,190 --> 00:26:51,890 economics and in the book you refer to 619 00:26:55,390 --> 00:26:54,200 economics as a pseudoscience and you 620 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:55,400 have a section in the book with the 621 00:27:01,360 --> 00:26:58,730 heading methodological censorship in the 622 00:27:02,350 --> 00:27:01,370 Academy and I like that area a lot that 623 00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:02,360 that's a good portion 624 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:05,510 how has the school system been set up to 625 00:27:09,550 --> 00:27:07,130 influence our thoughts on economics how 626 00:27:10,930 --> 00:27:09,560 our economics teachings skewed to hide a 627 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:10,940 lot of the points that you've been 628 00:27:17,230 --> 00:27:14,570 making what deceptive pike taken some 629 00:27:19,270 --> 00:27:17,240 rationality to self-maximizing choice - 630 00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:19,280 always more money value for the self as 631 00:27:24,010 --> 00:27:21,620 good all these things are presupposes 632 00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,020 axiomatic and that's how we are always 633 00:27:29,380 --> 00:27:26,480 governed and efficiency in productivity 634 00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,390 is doing this and moreover the profit 635 00:27:34,690 --> 00:27:32,000 drives the economic engine there has to 636 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:34,700 be profit or it won't work all of these 637 00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,210 things are built in 638 00:27:40,910 --> 00:27:39,000 and the inner logic of the system and so 639 00:27:45,050 --> 00:27:40,920 everything that we see that Trump is 640 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:45,060 identifying is is in accordance and 641 00:27:48,050 --> 00:27:46,650 that's why I look for counter example 642 00:27:51,380 --> 00:27:48,060 show me one counter example 643 00:27:54,260 --> 00:27:51,390 show me one place one medium one party 644 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:54,270 contesting for power one president one 645 00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,330 anybody who doesn't act in this way they 646 00:28:00,620 --> 00:27:59,760 don't know one because it's all it's an 647 00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:00,630 inner logic 648 00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:03,480 it's an unseen logic then the states 649 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:05,580 themselves states and governments 650 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:09,210 themselves see themselves as a factor 651 00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:11,850 than and indeed of having legitimacy and 652 00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:14,160 there will only be picked for selection 653 00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:17,640 if they serve those transactional money 654 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,560 sequences and that are there again 655 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:22,320 that's where pump sees the downstream 656 00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,810 effect that the Senate is corrupt the 657 00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:26,880 whole Washington is corrupt and so forth 658 00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:30,000 no you know just serving themselves you 659 00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:31,320 know it's not a systematic understanding 660 00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:33,510 but he sees the downstream effect and 661 00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,350 that I would say just plugs in at that 662 00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:40,320 level of the set of equations where 663 00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,900 states serve the dominant private money 664 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:45,600 sequence and they're called investors 665 00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:49,490 and we must have investment to survive 666 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:53,100 so the state must serve them and it now 667 00:28:58,370 --> 00:28:55,290 serves them you know it used to be 668 00:29:01,330 --> 00:28:58,380 basically by Wars but now it's not only 669 00:29:04,550 --> 00:29:01,340 Wars the state serves them with handouts 670 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:04,560 trillions of dollars of handouts and not 671 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:06,690 just to the bank but to all the major 672 00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:07,770 corporations 673 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:09,870 I mean someone like Ralph Nader will 674 00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:11,850 point out the downstream effects are 675 00:29:17,860 --> 00:29:14,550 there that how the space are basically 676 00:29:20,420 --> 00:29:17,870 corporate welfare system and so 677 00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:20,430 everything else in accordance with this 678 00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:22,380 inner logic that you're saying how did 679 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:24,860 this happen well what I'm doing is 680 00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:27,510 describing an inner logic that is not 681 00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:30,780 conscious this interests me perhaps more 682 00:29:35,630 --> 00:29:33,390 than anything is just this inner logic 683 00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:35,640 that nobody sees and is not allowed to 684 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:38,520 be laid bare is tracking it and that's 685 00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:40,770 what I'm doing here so everything else 686 00:29:45,290 --> 00:29:43,350 becomes the means to this you know we've 687 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:45,300 got to do this in order to grow and 688 00:29:49,550 --> 00:29:46,770 we've got to have profit and we've got 689 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:49,560 to have government's helping and sure 690 00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:51,450 that they're their corporations or 691 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:54,030 globally competitive and that means the 692 00:29:59,540 --> 00:29:55,890 efficiency and productivity of lowering 693 00:30:02,170 --> 00:29:59,550 money labor costs etc and not having too 694 00:30:04,940 --> 00:30:02,180 many regulations this is where Trump is 695 00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:04,950 completely skipped away to see one of 696 00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:07,260 the things he's attacking now in the 697 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:10,140 latter weeks is regulations too many 698 00:30:14,750 --> 00:30:11,820 regulations you know the very thing with 699 00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:14,760 Reagan tax and tax cuts let's get more 700 00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:17,100 tax cuts to the rich that's where camp 701 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:20,940 is himself the cancer agent but he's a 702 00:30:26,410 --> 00:30:23,730 schizoid he doesn't understand nor do 703 00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:26,420 all course his followers but that's 704 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:28,860 that's what's happening at the inner 705 00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:31,410 logic is prevailing even though he sees 706 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:33,870 that the American working class has been 707 00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:35,730 screwed and then ordinary people have 708 00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:37,980 been dispossessed and in America's in 709 00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:39,750 the story state without even good 710 00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:41,940 bridges when it used to be read the 711 00:30:45,620 --> 00:30:43,710 world are all out he's all right about 712 00:30:48,410 --> 00:30:45,630 all those phenomena they're undergone 713 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:48,420 diable don't nobody else had closed them 714 00:30:52,790 --> 00:30:50,850 out inside the corporate media because 715 00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:52,800 they'd be silent he couldn't be silenced 716 00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,600 and that's his mostly you know that's 717 00:30:59,180 --> 00:30:56,640 his greatest achievement is that he 718 00:31:01,910 --> 00:30:59,190 hasn't been silent he's the only guy I 719 00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:01,920 have seen only person I've seen being 720 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:04,740 able to take on the media the corporate 721 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:08,490 media and win in the sense of no matter 722 00:31:14,030 --> 00:31:10,770 how they dissing no matter how they 723 00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:14,040 publicly as fascinating Flandre now he 724 00:31:18,170 --> 00:31:15,960 kissed kept on coming and getting 725 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:18,180 stronger because he was representing 726 00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:19,650 more and more of the dispossessed people 727 00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:21,960 right and then everything's obscured 728 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:23,520 their own alas because he's a racist 729 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:25,050 house because he's a bigger that's 730 00:31:29,420 --> 00:31:26,730 because he just like all that stuff 731 00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:29,430 there's no doubt it is true but it's 732 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:31,710 just diverting attention from what's 733 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:33,810 really going on exact which he'd the 734 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:35,850 disease which he's seeing the symptoms 735 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:39,690 of and so this means it just overruns 736 00:31:44,420 --> 00:31:42,330 everything that we used to know as needs 737 00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:44,430 there isn't this is him back to the 738 00:31:49,220 --> 00:31:46,440 question more directly this is why 739 00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:49,230 economics is a pseudo subject because 740 00:31:55,790 --> 00:31:52,710 all it does is describe this as good in 741 00:31:57,620 --> 00:31:55,800 every said it never it never goes back 742 00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:57,630 to the beginning and say but maybe we 743 00:32:03,080 --> 00:31:59,820 need a more life coherent sense of 744 00:32:06,259 --> 00:32:03,090 rationality and maybe we should consider 745 00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:06,269 the cost to life not just to moneybags 746 00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,590 amen and so it doesn't it's not even a 747 00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:12,960 discipline any discipline that's a real 748 00:32:18,379 --> 00:32:15,299 discipline is open to counter you know 749 00:32:21,169 --> 00:32:18,389 another paradigm is open to when it 750 00:32:24,049 --> 00:32:21,179 keeps being refuted is open to change 751 00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:24,059 and adaptation to the circumstances 752 00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:26,039 which are classified it again and again 753 00:32:29,899 --> 00:32:28,470 and again and again they don't even know 754 00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,909 what's coming next 755 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,440 of course they don't because they're 756 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:34,320 just locked into this money sequence 757 00:32:39,259 --> 00:32:37,289 system as all axiomatically true and all 758 00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:39,269 their laws and so forth follow from it 759 00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:43,740 and so their life blind a priori life 760 00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:46,350 blind so-called discipline is not a 761 00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:49,470 discipline it's a propaganda of money 762 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:52,200 sequences that's all it is and you will 763 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:54,210 notice that's all it covers it just 764 00:33:00,169 --> 00:32:56,850 covers the money transactions between 765 00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:00,179 people in the market and assumes this 766 00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:02,220 the state out of there except as a 767 00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:05,100 servant so called Nightwatchman of this 768 00:33:11,529 --> 00:33:08,700 system so if it's a propaganda that it 769 00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,539 is not you know any scientific sort of 770 00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:13,919 philosophy of science but is more 771 00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:15,480 generally known this that you have to 772 00:33:19,999 --> 00:33:17,700 you have to have propositions that are 773 00:33:22,299 --> 00:33:20,009 falsifiable if they're consistent with 774 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:22,309 anything at all it's a pseudoscience 775 00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:25,769 so-called economics has nothing there is 776 00:33:30,019 --> 00:33:27,240 nothing that can happen that can 777 00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:30,029 disprove its so-called science and 778 00:33:36,499 --> 00:33:33,299 pseudoscience the first thing how you 779 00:33:38,299 --> 00:33:36,509 tell that it is a pseudoscience that's a 780 00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:38,309 scientific way of telling there's no 781 00:33:44,299 --> 00:33:40,710 revenue account against it mm-hmm and 782 00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,309 then I would say if somebody who thinks 783 00:33:49,609 --> 00:33:47,039 that the real source of value and this 784 00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:49,619 seems self-evident the real source of 785 00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:52,950 value is life and enabling life and the 786 00:33:58,460 --> 00:33:55,919 life capacities that to produce more 787 00:34:00,799 --> 00:33:58,470 life capacities through time through 788 00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:00,809 generational time that you know that's 789 00:34:06,139 --> 00:34:04,080 that's the real life capital and I call 790 00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:06,149 a capital because it has the features of 791 00:34:12,319 --> 00:34:09,030 real capital capital is the concept 792 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:12,329 that's been appropriated ex-pro created 793 00:34:16,530 --> 00:34:15,210 from the life sequence why it seems to 794 00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:16,540 make so much sense 795 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:19,270 is because there is something wonderful 796 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:23,650 about a value that produces more value 797 00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:27,730 without loss and cumulative gain that's 798 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:29,620 a beautiful thing as hard it's not 799 00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:32,050 really understood in all history before 800 00:34:36,030 --> 00:34:33,940 because usually it's understood 801 00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:36,040 separately you know it goes around at 802 00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:38,230 the beginning in and on and all people 803 00:34:43,380 --> 00:34:40,270 basically understandings in terms of 804 00:34:46,140 --> 00:34:43,390 natural cycles but the capital moment if 805 00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:46,150 this is wealth that produces more wealth 806 00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,080 without loss and with cumulative gain 807 00:34:55,290 --> 00:34:52,480 you know that's a dynamic idea but it 808 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:55,300 leads to cancer as a money sequence 809 00:35:01,320 --> 00:34:57,490 system a transnational money sequence 810 00:35:06,090 --> 00:35:01,330 system but as a life principle and a 811 00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:06,100 life axiom the primary axiom it leads to 812 00:35:15,390 --> 00:35:11,320 better and good by definition it only 813 00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:15,400 leads to better life by definition that 814 00:35:21,090 --> 00:35:18,640 is as well let's say education its 815 00:35:23,610 --> 00:35:21,100 wealth you know the education they even 816 00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:23,620 call it knowledge capital they just mean 817 00:35:27,570 --> 00:35:25,420 knowledge capital as money sequence 818 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:27,580 capital how the money sequences use 819 00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:30,850 knowledge to reduce costs and advantage 820 00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:33,700 money sequence investors that's the only 821 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:36,420 thing they see and that's a phony 822 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:38,890 understanding of capital but if you 823 00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:41,110 understand this took this is a long time 824 00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:41,620 coming 825 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:44,110 I couldn't even I could not say it in 826 00:35:49,410 --> 00:35:46,930 print four years after I had sold 827 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:49,420 seemingly you know to my own mind I had 828 00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:52,090 I discovered this that nobody else was 829 00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:55,300 talking about but it was so hard to 830 00:36:01,700 --> 00:35:58,450 shift from one mindset to the other and 831 00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:01,710 I knew the left would be angry at 832 00:36:07,110 --> 00:36:05,110 somehow rehabilitating capitalism by 833 00:36:09,390 --> 00:36:07,120 talking about life capital yeah 834 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:09,400 and I knew the right in the center would 835 00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:11,890 just not want to allow that distinction 836 00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,260 in because the game's up if you 837 00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:16,000 understand that distinction the game's 838 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:18,520 up you can't go any further with that 839 00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:21,280 because everybody naturally not just as 840 00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:23,740 a self maximizing agent of a propaganda 841 00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:26,710 system that's enacted every day in every 842 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:29,110 day every place but because people 843 00:36:32,009 --> 00:36:30,130 prefer 844 00:36:33,779 --> 00:36:32,019 like come on e this what a lot of 845 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:33,789 literature is written about it in fact 846 00:36:37,230 --> 00:36:35,410 you might say that anything any good 847 00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:37,240 that's ever been done is really talking 848 00:36:42,029 --> 00:36:40,180 about that one way or another not you 849 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:42,039 know about the life what I call a life 850 00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:44,650 coat or the life value on talaxian to 851 00:36:49,620 --> 00:36:47,529 you and that's why it's not allowed out 852 00:36:52,109 --> 00:36:49,630 it's not allowed out either by Marxist 853 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:52,119 which I you know I've written one of my 854 00:36:55,769 --> 00:36:54,130 first books was on marks its structure 855 00:36:58,589 --> 00:36:55,779 of Marxist worldview with Princeton 856 00:37:00,930 --> 00:36:58,599 press and so I've you know I've read 857 00:37:03,299 --> 00:37:00,940 everything Marx ever wrote but I came to 858 00:37:05,849 --> 00:37:03,309 the conclusion after years and years of 859 00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:05,859 puzzling over all this just what you've 860 00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:07,390 got to go to the light path and there 861 00:37:12,269 --> 00:37:09,910 isn't a life grounded marks I can find 862 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:12,279 one for him but he doesn't have he 863 00:37:16,620 --> 00:37:14,170 applies it but he doesn't have it in 864 00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,630 fact that's why Stalinism and everything 865 00:37:21,569 --> 00:37:19,359 and go run mad calling itself Marxism 866 00:37:23,759 --> 00:37:21,579 and because the actual theory doesn't 867 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:23,769 ultimately have a life ground what its 868 00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:25,930 ground is is productive force 869 00:37:31,950 --> 00:37:28,240 development or technological development 870 00:37:35,249 --> 00:37:31,960 technological determinism rating and the 871 00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:35,259 often technologies can be even publicly 872 00:37:42,569 --> 00:37:38,440 owned and still destroy life and indeed 873 00:37:45,210 --> 00:37:42,579 for Marx the classes that were you know 874 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:45,220 the peasant classes were necessary cost 875 00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:47,890 you know their death in the world was a 876 00:37:53,579 --> 00:37:51,369 necessary cause of progress he in a way 877 00:37:56,309 --> 00:37:53,589 is the you know the last great bourgeois 878 00:37:59,009 --> 00:37:56,319 thinker in the sense that he capital can 879 00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,019 be implicitly gone that if the workers 880 00:38:03,269 --> 00:38:01,119 can just take over this money capital 881 00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:03,279 then everything will be solved well it 882 00:38:07,799 --> 00:38:05,950 isn't because life requirements are very 883 00:38:10,259 --> 00:38:07,809 different and what are those life 884 00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:10,269 requirements and then I go down to what 885 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:12,430 they are and then you get a for you know 886 00:38:17,069 --> 00:38:14,650 you get a whole schedule of needs not 887 00:38:19,859 --> 00:38:17,079 maslul needs or not any other type of 888 00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:19,869 needs or arguable I need is what life is 889 00:38:25,259 --> 00:38:23,710 life is reduced without yeah that's 890 00:38:28,019 --> 00:38:25,269 another formula that you won't find 891 00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:28,029 anywhere else but it captures a notion 892 00:38:35,579 --> 00:38:32,950 of me and the only need and so what is 893 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:35,589 it that we cannot do with a reduction or 894 00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:37,930 half of our life capacities well we 895 00:38:42,779 --> 00:38:41,049 don't have we've got to have good air to 896 00:38:43,950 --> 00:38:42,789 breathe right right I have clean hair 897 00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:43,960 debris and 898 00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:47,680 did we totally also need some space and 899 00:38:54,570 --> 00:38:51,640 we probably need it is some and leave 900 00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:54,580 some green space or her gotta have light 901 00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:58,839 and I call that the atmospheric good and 902 00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:00,880 a neat well John let me ask you this 903 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:03,089 though I think a lot of the listeners 904 00:39:07,710 --> 00:39:05,890 probably see what we should do or know 905 00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:07,720 some of the things that we do need but 906 00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,910 how do we get there you know that's the 907 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:11,920 real issue with the cancer as entrenched 908 00:39:15,630 --> 00:39:13,330 as it is I mean how do we alter the 909 00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:15,640 system's motivations to work for life 910 00:39:20,430 --> 00:39:17,880 capital for the greater good rather than 911 00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:20,440 individual wealth and greed it's easy to 912 00:39:24,329 --> 00:39:22,300 recognize it or it's easier to recognize 913 00:39:27,570 --> 00:39:24,339 it but it's a lot harder to actually 914 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:27,580 make a real world switch what being a 915 00:39:32,730 --> 00:39:30,130 perhaps because I'm a philosopher I see 916 00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:32,740 the things that that ultimately decide 917 00:39:37,950 --> 00:39:36,280 what's happening our principles even if 918 00:39:40,290 --> 00:39:37,960 they're none recognized principle and 919 00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,300 the key of science so all science basic 920 00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,359 science looks for principles or laws and 921 00:39:48,690 --> 00:39:46,000 the case of nature then even in the case 922 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:48,700 of social systems you look for laws 923 00:39:53,550 --> 00:39:50,890 what's governing it or in my case I 924 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:53,560 don't want to call it a law between the 925 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:55,690 life sequence of value and the money 926 00:40:01,730 --> 00:39:58,210 sequence of value but I do call those 927 00:40:04,170 --> 00:40:01,740 principles and I identify them as 928 00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:04,180 regulating principles whether people are 929 00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:06,609 aware of them or not it's a regulating 930 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:09,760 principle it's at work for example when 931 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:12,250 someone says and for many years I did 932 00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:14,890 Columbus discovered America the 933 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:17,500 underlying principle is that all human 934 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:19,510 discernment and understanding is 935 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:22,690 European and they don't know that that's 936 00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,730 the underlying principle but it in fact 937 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:27,040 governs them and it not only governs and 938 00:40:31,050 --> 00:40:29,170 it leads to it doesn't matter it's a 939 00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,060 good thing if we kill all the Indians or 940 00:40:36,750 --> 00:40:33,520 all the native population it's good 941 00:40:39,630 --> 00:40:36,760 so always behind which we see inside a 942 00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:39,640 system or in decide a person's behavior 943 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:42,550 as an individual inside that system it's 944 00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,250 always regulated by principle and so I 945 00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:47,680 can just pose a question back just to 946 00:40:51,930 --> 00:40:50,260 get to that first base can you think of 947 00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:51,940 anything it isn't governed by a 948 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:55,119 principle and indeed isn't governed by 949 00:41:00,720 --> 00:40:57,850 the life value principle but 950 00:41:02,670 --> 00:41:00,730 day versus the money value principle or 951 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:02,680 the money sequence of value versus the 952 00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:06,130 life sequence of I so I'm arguing and it 953 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:09,430 looks love caller examples arguing that 954 00:41:12,420 --> 00:41:10,810 if you want to understand anything 955 00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,430 that's going on here you gotta 956 00:41:16,290 --> 00:41:14,800 understand this regulating principle or 957 00:41:17,610 --> 00:41:16,300 you go out you don't have a scientific 958 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:17,620 understanding you don't even have a 959 00:41:23,370 --> 00:41:20,530 logical understanding of it and anything 960 00:41:25,410 --> 00:41:23,380 that's exceptions to it causes one you 961 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:25,420 know if there's an exception to it then 962 00:41:29,490 --> 00:41:27,490 one looks examines that that exception 963 00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:29,500 see if it really is an exception and 964 00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:32,430 then you have to adapt your 965 00:41:37,770 --> 00:41:35,230 understanding again looking for the 966 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:37,780 actually underlying principle that you 967 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:39,850 will be able to predict from to that 968 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:41,530 they'll continue operate with that 969 00:41:46,260 --> 00:41:43,810 principle until is another principle 970 00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:46,270 that is instituted and we've had those 971 00:41:50,070 --> 00:41:48,430 principles instituted for example 972 00:41:52,770 --> 00:41:50,080 slavery everybody thought it was natural 973 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:52,780 from Aristotle and Plato on it was a 974 00:41:58,020 --> 00:41:55,690 natural state of affairs and that's that 975 00:42:01,590 --> 00:41:58,030 and that continued up until you know 976 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:01,600 hardly a century ago that that you know 977 00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:03,430 that was no longer principle we could 978 00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:05,500 live with and live accordance with and 979 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:09,280 so the principle changed that slaves 980 00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:11,650 were not slaves by nature but by an 981 00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,640 institution that needs to be changed the 982 00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:18,160 same with women who were in a sense like 983 00:42:24,990 --> 00:42:20,950 slaves basically the position of their 984 00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,000 male master and with no rights and we've 985 00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,760 seen in our own lifetimes we've seen big 986 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:30,400 changes happening there but what we look 987 00:42:32,850 --> 00:42:30,730 for 988 00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:32,860 you know many feminists would say yeah 989 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:35,230 you see a big change in the talk but you 990 00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:37,090 don't see any change in what's actually 991 00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:39,550 going on in the marketplace because 992 00:42:45,090 --> 00:42:41,860 they're women so only have two-thirds of 993 00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:45,100 the pay of men and that's the big you 994 00:42:48,990 --> 00:42:46,870 know seems to be an anomaly but it 995 00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,000 according to a principle understanding 996 00:42:54,210 --> 00:42:52,000 with principle ground you say well 997 00:42:57,210 --> 00:42:54,220 that's because your economy is not 998 00:43:00,180 --> 00:42:57,220 feminist it doesn't recognize these as 999 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:00,190 issues now they may bring in symbolic 1000 00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:03,850 women into the hierarchy and even CEO 1001 00:43:09,210 --> 00:43:06,460 office and but that's not a change in 1002 00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:09,220 principle that's basically a propaganda 1003 00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:11,569 a symbolic gesture that's 1004 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:13,369 stops people seeing what's wrong with 1005 00:43:18,819 --> 00:43:16,130 the principle mm-hmm so look to any 1006 00:43:21,189 --> 00:43:18,829 problem or indeed any success in our 1007 00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:21,199 lives and this was really what you know 1008 00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:23,569 we were we began with in our original 1009 00:43:28,959 --> 00:43:25,849 conversation about doing this program 1010 00:43:31,449 --> 00:43:28,969 was I you know just saying not only is 1011 00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,459 the war of the world the life value 1012 00:43:36,670 --> 00:43:33,920 principle or the life sequence of value 1013 00:43:41,229 --> 00:43:36,680 versus the money principle of the money 1014 00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:41,239 axiom on a sequence of value it is also 1015 00:43:49,959 --> 00:43:46,910 that war includes everything everything 1016 00:43:51,609 --> 00:43:49,969 is now involved in that war and isn't 1017 00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,619 that kind of a dirty secret though that 1018 00:43:55,779 --> 00:43:53,359 like these principles that really guide 1019 00:43:57,819 --> 00:43:55,789 the system there's different levels to 1020 00:43:59,799 --> 00:43:57,829 how important they are to the integrity 1021 00:44:03,279 --> 00:43:59,809 of the system and they allow us to 1022 00:44:05,170 --> 00:44:03,289 debate and vote on issues that are kind 1023 00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:05,180 of minor but these key ones are kind of 1024 00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:07,369 off limits to us it seems that's right 1025 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:09,529 that's right so that's the problem of 1026 00:44:15,130 --> 00:44:13,130 floud and that's what I try to do is to 1027 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:15,140 bring people's understanding to the 1028 00:44:20,769 --> 00:44:17,690 place where they see this because what I 1029 00:44:22,989 --> 00:44:20,779 am saying here can be falsified you can 1030 00:44:24,459 --> 00:44:22,999 pick out some phenomena and say well you 1031 00:44:26,349 --> 00:44:24,469 know they're they're arguing about this 1032 00:44:28,839 --> 00:44:26,359 or that I say feminism where's the 1033 00:44:31,150 --> 00:44:28,849 racism which is associated with slavery 1034 00:44:34,269 --> 00:44:31,160 and they haven't really changed the 1035 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:34,279 principle or they have actually changed 1036 00:44:39,099 --> 00:44:36,650 the principle insofar it is it is in 1037 00:44:42,609 --> 00:44:39,109 governing it's an empirical objective 1038 00:44:44,949 --> 00:44:42,619 matter here mm-hmm and then you say well 1039 00:44:47,709 --> 00:44:44,959 how can we give it because it just isn't 1040 00:44:50,259 --> 00:44:47,719 that any I hear from your question we 1041 00:44:52,420 --> 00:44:50,269 started our getting getting this but 1042 00:44:54,939 --> 00:44:52,430 look at what's going on there stop doing 1043 00:44:56,979 --> 00:44:54,949 these dispossessing so-called trade 1044 00:44:59,650 --> 00:44:56,989 treaties trade agreements which only 1045 00:45:02,140 --> 00:44:59,660 advantage transnational money sequences 1046 00:45:04,859 --> 00:45:02,150 and override everything of life value to 1047 00:45:08,289 --> 00:45:04,869 do so even though we know that principle 1048 00:45:10,689 --> 00:45:08,299 nothing's changed they just give out 1049 00:45:12,729 --> 00:45:10,699 different pretenses you know and 1050 00:45:14,499 --> 00:45:12,739 basically have a brand change all people 1051 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:14,509 are sick of that so we'll change from 1052 00:45:18,819 --> 00:45:16,729 the brush to cancer system leader they 1053 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:18,829 don't think about that will change it 1054 00:45:22,509 --> 00:45:20,930 will not change the cancer will change 1055 00:45:24,420 --> 00:45:22,519 so you front me 1056 00:45:28,110 --> 00:45:24,430 we have a brand change 1057 00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:28,120 Obama and that's all and everybody's old 1058 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:29,260 things are going to be better now 1059 00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:31,450 President opal Nobel Peace Prize 1060 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:33,430 everybody applauds thanks the principles 1061 00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:35,770 Jane and what I'm saying no no the 1062 00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:37,510 regulating principle hasn't changed at 1063 00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:39,790 all you've just been duped again by a 1064 00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:42,160 brand change and the people inside that 1065 00:45:46,260 --> 00:45:44,110 position until they understand these 1066 00:45:50,310 --> 00:45:46,270 things are not going to be able to do it 1067 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:50,320 because it now is master but it's not 1068 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:51,850 mastered in my life and it's not 1069 00:45:55,830 --> 00:45:53,770 mastering your life and here we come to 1070 00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:55,840 the individual level which I you know I 1071 00:46:00,300 --> 00:45:58,330 think that individuals on halfway are 1072 00:46:03,210 --> 00:46:00,310 determined by their positions within a 1073 00:46:05,790 --> 00:46:03,220 system that has violence and force and 1074 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:05,800 lies behind it that's always true of 1075 00:46:11,850 --> 00:46:09,250 this system senses a cancer-like system 1076 00:46:14,250 --> 00:46:11,860 that is especially - or what about a 1077 00:46:16,410 --> 00:46:14,260 sense of individuals i don't do an act 1078 00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:16,420 in my life including right now I'm going 1079 00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:25,630 to take a sip of my water oh and I won't 1080 00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:28,960 drink any water that in a plastic bottle 1081 00:46:35,370 --> 00:46:33,550 and I will never accept water I've 1082 00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:35,380 almost died from when I was traveling 1083 00:46:40,170 --> 00:46:37,630 through India choosing water that was in 1084 00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:40,180 a whale but it was polluted without my 1085 00:46:44,010 --> 00:46:41,830 knowing it without even the villagers 1086 00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:44,020 knowing an anomaly took me down with a 1087 00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:46,150 maybe dysentery overnight almost it's 1088 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:49,710 incredible and I'm going to only 1089 00:46:55,350 --> 00:46:53,650 patronize the provision of water that is 1090 00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:55,360 a good provision that makes it 1091 00:47:00,450 --> 00:46:58,090 universally accessible so I'm only going 1092 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:00,460 to use public water or demand public 1093 00:47:06,510 --> 00:47:03,370 water or filter it in some way myself 1094 00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,520 until we get that change in bowl now 1095 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:09,040 that's just water but don't go through 1096 00:47:12,780 --> 00:47:10,810 every part of your life here you know 1097 00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:12,790 this technical marvel that we have that 1098 00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:15,660 we can now talk over a phone and 1099 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:18,640 communicate to each other about what 1100 00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:20,410 ultimately matters which was never 1101 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:23,830 possible before and but you gotta watch 1102 00:47:28,650 --> 00:47:26,170 it because that same system is into 1103 00:47:31,310 --> 00:47:28,660 basically commercial control you know 1104 00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:31,320 it's basically into the secret of all 1105 00:47:37,860 --> 00:47:35,470 propagandas nicely said by Bernays who 1106 00:47:40,860 --> 00:47:37,870 is a nephew of freud he said it's 1107 00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:40,870 you know it's a mechanism of consent 1108 00:47:46,650 --> 00:47:44,380 that rules and regiments people without 1109 00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,660 their knowledge and this is the 1110 00:47:51,090 --> 00:47:48,400 invisible government he said that back 1111 00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:51,100 in 1926 and he's the founder of public 1112 00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:54,550 relations so the public relations of the 1113 00:48:00,210 --> 00:47:57,250 knowledge economy the information 1114 00:48:03,930 --> 00:48:00,220 economy and nothing but saturating ads 1115 00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:03,940 ads ads ads ads everywhere for always 1116 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:06,910 always for transnational money sequences 1117 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:09,610 are trying to because national monies 1118 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:13,810 weekly oh so I can change my life by 1119 00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:17,530 what media I I'm on my own life for 1120 00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:20,230 change radically if I don't forget watch 1121 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:23,470 commercial television and I could save 1122 00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:24,330 the sense 1123 00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:27,580 television came in but half my life has 1124 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:31,780 been without without it and or its 1125 00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:33,970 public you know where the public sector 1126 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:35,950 gets into the television is more 1127 00:48:42,570 --> 00:48:39,850 reliable so that changes my pastime to 1128 00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:42,580 and my computer which I live from 1129 00:48:46,740 --> 00:48:44,920 basically as a writer always made me 1130 00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,750 commend us advantages for me and I 1131 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:48,640 always ask the life question doesn't 1132 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:51,850 enable life or it is a life going era 1133 00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,130 does it more inclusively life coherently 1134 00:49:01,230 --> 00:48:59,200 enable my life and other life that's 1135 00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:01,240 what the coherences it's not only that 1136 00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:03,430 it enables your life but it's coherent 1137 00:49:08,340 --> 00:49:05,470 with others needs so it enables their 1138 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:08,350 lives to every commitment for every act 1139 00:49:13,770 --> 00:49:11,050 that anyone ever does could be a life 1140 00:49:15,930 --> 00:49:13,780 value commitment and in fact we see 1141 00:49:18,090 --> 00:49:15,940 people doing this all the time food is 1142 00:49:19,950 --> 00:49:18,100 the best example radio where you see a 1143 00:49:22,110 --> 00:49:19,960 huge change in awareness 1144 00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:22,120 coming ten years ago they believed that 1145 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:24,310 junk food well you know the us and made 1146 00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:26,050 sure they just said they would 1147 00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:27,790 discontinue funding the World Health 1148 00:49:33,660 --> 00:49:30,280 Organization if they came out with any 1149 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:33,670 thing about food and junk food or even 1150 00:49:38,550 --> 00:49:36,130 even a good diet which you have to have 1151 00:49:40,290 --> 00:49:38,560 for a nourishing diet they would stop 1152 00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:40,300 they'd just be funded and that's the 1153 00:49:47,299 --> 00:49:42,910 principle weapon is defunding if not war 1154 00:49:49,669 --> 00:49:47,309 if not kill defund first then kill 1155 00:49:52,579 --> 00:49:49,679 and so every moment of our lives is such 1156 00:49:54,469 --> 00:49:52,589 a choice between in our time that money 1157 00:49:57,769 --> 00:49:54,479 sequence of value in the life is equal 1158 00:49:59,299 --> 00:49:57,779 to the value right on I do like a lot of 1159 00:50:01,459 --> 00:49:59,309 what you're saying people should live 1160 00:50:02,839 --> 00:50:01,469 more principled lives but there is an 1161 00:50:05,809 --> 00:50:02,849 issue here that we have to address 1162 00:50:07,969 --> 00:50:05,819 because I've had several guests who talk 1163 00:50:09,769 --> 00:50:07,979 about classic capitalism as the 1164 00:50:11,299 --> 00:50:09,779 mechanism for lifting hundreds of 1165 00:50:13,429 --> 00:50:11,309 thousands of people millions of people 1166 00:50:16,219 --> 00:50:13,439 out of poverty in the last century that 1167 00:50:18,979 --> 00:50:16,229 the technological innovations and 1168 00:50:21,169 --> 00:50:18,989 advancements of our time have capitalism 1169 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:21,179 to thank as their catalyst and they say 1170 00:50:25,789 --> 00:50:22,890 that our weapons shouldn't be aimed at 1171 00:50:27,319 --> 00:50:25,799 capitalism but rather centralization how 1172 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:27,329 would you respond to someone with that 1173 00:50:31,669 --> 00:50:29,609 mindset or even anarchists or 1174 00:50:33,709 --> 00:50:31,679 free-market libertarians who argue the 1175 00:50:37,309 --> 00:50:33,719 state is the real villain of the story 1176 00:50:39,229 --> 00:50:37,319 here well you've just encapsulated very 1177 00:50:41,689 --> 00:50:39,239 as you're doing throat here you've 1178 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:41,699 encapsulated the two main arguments the 1179 00:50:46,399 --> 00:50:43,890 first argument I would call it is 1180 00:50:48,649 --> 00:50:46,409 Marxist in origin but also but needn't 1181 00:50:50,479 --> 00:50:48,659 be Marxist the capitalism is the 1182 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:50,489 solution Marx believed that and you know 1183 00:50:55,999 --> 00:50:52,890 that we had the we had to have 1184 00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:56,009 capitalism reach its zenith of where it 1185 00:51:00,649 --> 00:50:58,380 was no longer productive and then only 1186 00:51:03,279 --> 00:51:00,659 when it was no longer productive when it 1187 00:51:06,109 --> 00:51:03,289 was choosing between productive 1188 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:06,119 regression and productive advance the 1189 00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,650 system would always he thought it was a 1190 00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:10,079 historical law choose the way you just 1191 00:51:15,319 --> 00:51:13,079 described the capitalism will always you 1192 00:51:18,169 --> 00:51:15,329 know all these for example a life 1193 00:51:19,789 --> 00:51:18,179 expectancy at will change and an 1194 00:51:21,469 --> 00:51:19,799 improvement and you know for example 1195 00:51:24,169 --> 00:51:21,479 electric lighting it was through 1196 00:51:26,089 --> 00:51:24,179 capitalism or through knowledge capital 1197 00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:26,099 in the internet and so forth and each 1198 00:51:30,499 --> 00:51:27,900 one of these I would go through and say 1199 00:51:33,979 --> 00:51:30,509 well and clue you know whether it's by 1200 00:51:35,749 --> 00:51:33,989 Marxist or by orthodox with economics 1201 00:51:38,899 --> 00:51:35,759 because they need to share that same 1202 00:51:40,969 --> 00:51:38,909 argument both and that's why the one is 1203 00:51:43,009 --> 00:51:40,979 not really a revolutionary argument in 1204 00:51:45,229 --> 00:51:43,019 the sense of change in the system is 1205 00:51:48,049 --> 00:51:45,239 basically how the system can still work 1206 00:51:50,419 --> 00:51:48,059 if the workers are the ruling class and 1207 00:51:53,419 --> 00:51:50,429 that doesn't get into the problem sort 1208 00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:53,429 of could built in principle so in those 1209 00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:56,729 cases I would say well you know that to 1210 00:52:01,160 --> 00:51:59,819 take that people die last especially 1211 00:52:04,339 --> 00:52:01,170 child 1212 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:04,349 would be the most dramatic success orb 1213 00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:07,170 life expectancy and that wasn't a 1214 00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:09,710 because that was in spite of capital 1215 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:12,329 right from the get-go it was about 1216 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:14,490 having clean supplies water right from 1217 00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:16,650 the get-go and separating water from 1218 00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:19,559 sewage that was the secret to it and 1219 00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:21,180 that happened you know that was not 1220 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:23,099 capitalists that were the women in 1221 00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:25,170 England for example the during the 1222 00:52:29,299 --> 00:52:27,569 cholera African epidemic said we gotta 1223 00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:29,309 have they understood women are usually 1224 00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:31,859 meeting these things by the way it's not 1225 00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:34,529 capitalism at all probably women and 1226 00:52:40,579 --> 00:52:38,430 they led this force and ended up as 1227 00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:40,589 public sewage and so forth which then 1228 00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,420 was copied everywhere because it made 1229 00:52:46,460 --> 00:52:44,160 the difference between life and death 1230 00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,470 for most of your population yeah more 1231 00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:48,960 than half of Europe was killed by not 1232 00:52:54,140 --> 00:52:51,150 having this and then not having a 1233 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:54,150 separation of water and sewage hmm you 1234 00:52:57,859 --> 00:52:55,650 know because of the blonic plague which 1235 00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:57,869 is carried by rats which we have you 1236 00:53:02,809 --> 00:53:00,900 know parasite on them that cetera gotcha 1237 00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:02,819 but the only way you're going to fix it 1238 00:53:07,579 --> 00:53:05,460 was if you separated the water which 1239 00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:07,589 mothers would know the women would know 1240 00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:09,180 because they're dealing with water all 1241 00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:12,420 the time and so wasn't capitalism at all 1242 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:14,700 and now you think oh well but look at 1243 00:53:18,829 --> 00:53:16,410 this capitalism that gave us the 1244 00:53:20,269 --> 00:53:18,839 Internet no no no no as you know what 1245 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:20,279 you believe what we know more than I do 1246 00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:22,650 about this is all but shareware from the 1247 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:25,710 beginning it's all been a science to 1248 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:27,450 begin with when I was first introduced 1249 00:53:33,140 --> 00:53:30,089 to it before became fashionable and I 1250 00:53:35,299 --> 00:53:33,150 resisted it because it's I was used to 1251 00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:35,309 the other way and but my physicist 1252 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:37,740 friends because I was very much involved 1253 00:53:43,339 --> 00:53:40,170 in then science for peace which is by 1254 00:53:45,859 --> 00:53:43,349 the way to deserve by basically UF 1255 00:53:48,140 --> 00:53:45,869 propaganda but in the old days science 1256 00:53:50,509 --> 00:53:48,150 or T say we're at the front end they 1257 00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,519 have Nobel Prize members in there a lot 1258 00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:52,559 they were at the front end of the 1259 00:53:57,019 --> 00:53:54,119 internet because that's what they were 1260 00:53:58,789 --> 00:53:57,029 doing in their physics experiments and 1261 00:54:01,009 --> 00:53:58,799 discussions with each other without 1262 00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:01,019 having to cook travel thousands of miles 1263 00:54:07,220 --> 00:54:04,859 or you know unaffordable and telephone 1264 00:54:09,740 --> 00:54:07,230 expenses that only happen on once in a 1265 00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:09,750 day or you know the internet was 1266 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:12,569 introduced by public scientists and the 1267 00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:13,570 people who have 1268 00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:16,960 only all the innovations like I mean 1269 00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:19,390 what the share worship in one way or 1270 00:54:24,030 --> 00:54:21,910 another behind all and then it's some 1271 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:24,040 non capitalist discourses and 1272 00:54:28,770 --> 00:54:26,410 communications of fact in spite of 1273 00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:28,780 capitalism is all the real information 1274 00:54:34,050 --> 00:54:30,580 and knowledge that you can get from the 1275 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:34,060 web now by avoiding hell by stepping 1276 00:54:40,890 --> 00:54:37,090 around it which now these tools allow it 1277 00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:40,900 so I would say now you know I'm open to 1278 00:54:46,530 --> 00:54:43,720 of course dispute here if anybody can 1279 00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:46,540 think of a thing that capitalism gave us 1280 00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:49,270 it wasn't in fact started beforehand by 1281 00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:52,140 non capitalism or in spite of capitalism 1282 00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:54,910 mmm-hmm right and I struggle with that 1283 00:55:00,690 --> 00:54:57,370 too because I have guests on both sides 1284 00:55:03,060 --> 00:55:00,700 of the question and so many talk about 1285 00:55:05,220 --> 00:55:03,070 oh if we just had a free market that 1286 00:55:08,010 --> 00:55:05,230 didn't have all this influence from the 1287 00:55:10,350 --> 00:55:08,020 elites yeah it would be a more freer 1288 00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:10,360 society but I'm just not sure because I 1289 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:12,070 think that with capitalism you're always 1290 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:13,810 going to have incentives for criminal 1291 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:17,170 action to get more profit of course 1292 00:55:22,170 --> 00:55:19,690 you're right the business of libertarian 1293 00:55:24,510 --> 00:55:22,180 ideology on one hand of it you know this 1294 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:24,520 capitalist libertarianism in their 1295 00:55:29,730 --> 00:55:27,330 socialist libertarianism or local 1296 00:55:32,340 --> 00:55:29,740 libertarianism words by the community 1297 00:55:35,310 --> 00:55:32,350 determination self-determination and 1298 00:55:37,530 --> 00:55:35,320 anarchism is another expression of it so 1299 00:55:39,570 --> 00:55:37,540 even in Marx's day there were anarchists 1300 00:55:42,270 --> 00:55:39,580 that argued this way but it's become 1301 00:55:45,450 --> 00:55:42,280 much more especially through a u.s. 1302 00:55:47,850 --> 00:55:45,460 number how many people over believe any 1303 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:47,860 of that Lubert capitalist libertarianism 1304 00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:49,930 that's basically what I would call an 1305 00:55:56,010 --> 00:55:53,470 American religion which is recognized as 1306 00:55:58,620 --> 00:55:56,020 a religion thinks it's very rational but 1307 00:56:01,620 --> 00:55:58,630 it is not life coherent it's that you 1308 00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:01,630 know just leads to what as you said not 1309 00:56:06,450 --> 00:56:04,150 just crime but it just leads to if you 1310 00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:06,460 leave that alone try to think of one 1311 00:56:11,370 --> 00:56:08,260 social advance that's made without 1312 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:11,380 public authority without public taxes 1313 00:56:17,070 --> 00:56:14,410 without even room you know from police 1314 00:56:19,470 --> 00:56:17,080 to water supply again it's the same 1315 00:56:20,970 --> 00:56:19,480 thing why don't they know that because 1316 00:56:23,490 --> 00:56:20,980 their religion 1317 00:56:25,890 --> 00:56:23,500 they're a done and I've you know they've 1318 00:56:27,059 --> 00:56:25,900 got good they extraction and it's 1319 00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:27,069 carried by America 1320 00:56:31,979 --> 00:56:28,660 I have not met anybody who's a 1321 00:56:33,809 --> 00:56:31,989 capitalist anarchist libertarian outside 1322 00:56:35,939 --> 00:56:33,819 of the states or from the states are 1323 00:56:38,370 --> 00:56:35,949 born and bred in the state it's more 1324 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:38,380 well it's gotten its penetrated Canada 1325 00:56:42,299 --> 00:56:40,089 quite a bit but not not to the point 1326 00:56:44,430 --> 00:56:42,309 where people take it seriously but it 1327 00:56:47,189 --> 00:56:44,440 does it has penetrated but not elsewhere 1328 00:56:49,979 --> 00:56:47,199 and why well this is a you know usually 1329 00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:49,989 there are religious substitute for the 1330 00:56:56,009 --> 00:56:53,609 lost religions we have and although 1331 00:56:58,319 --> 00:56:56,019 libertarianism pretends to and in many 1332 00:57:00,779 --> 00:56:58,329 matters other than economic it is 1333 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:00,789 rational here it's religious there's 1334 00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:03,130 only one God there shall be no other God 1335 00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:05,529 before it and that is capitalism that is 1336 00:57:12,449 --> 00:57:09,119 free investment with no interference 1337 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:12,459 that is ultimately the transnational 1338 00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:16,690 money sequence cancer system but they 1339 00:57:25,140 --> 00:57:21,849 can't go any of those steps and I I've 1340 00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:25,150 been glad to you know when I tried to 1341 00:57:29,939 --> 00:57:28,089 debate a very well-known libertarian up 1342 00:57:32,339 --> 00:57:29,949 here in American of course but he did 1343 00:57:34,620 --> 00:57:32,349 you know as many Picard but beggars came 1344 00:57:37,529 --> 00:57:34,630 up here took over Canadian University 1345 00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:37,539 and they just can't deal with it they 1346 00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:39,369 just cannot deal with it they'll just 1347 00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:42,609 change the topic is a good song you know 1348 00:57:47,609 --> 00:57:45,369 the good at sophistry right but that's 1349 00:57:49,439 --> 00:57:47,619 what I think about it and I just say 1350 00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:49,449 well just take a look at it you think 1351 00:57:54,029 --> 00:57:51,609 it'll all be better with those two state 1352 00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,039 by free investment then you can go into 1353 00:57:58,529 --> 00:57:55,839 the cancer argument or you go into the 1354 00:58:01,559 --> 00:57:58,539 argument of which particular advance do 1355 00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:01,569 you say do you are you sure has been by 1356 00:58:06,359 --> 00:58:03,369 this money sequence private money 1357 00:58:08,969 --> 00:58:06,369 sequence method right and whenever 1358 00:58:12,359 --> 00:58:08,979 they're put that one they have to face 1359 00:58:14,759 --> 00:58:12,369 they change the topic or try to find you 1360 00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:14,769 know something do be statistical though 1361 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:16,809 right oh I mean it's the privatization 1362 00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:19,930 of the medical system of the prison 1363 00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:21,910 system that creates a lot of America's 1364 00:58:26,099 --> 00:58:24,190 problems but I guess to me maybe it's 1365 00:58:29,569 --> 00:58:26,109 not an either/or maybe it's a little bit 1366 00:58:31,459 --> 00:58:29,579 of both well it depends what you mean by 1367 00:58:34,109 --> 00:58:31,469 privatization if you mean by 1368 00:58:37,529 --> 00:58:34,119 privatization for-profit and right money 1369 00:58:40,339 --> 00:58:37,539 profit evermore money profit life blind 1370 00:58:41,499 --> 00:58:40,349 money profits no would always fail 1371 00:58:43,549 --> 00:58:41,509 when you try to think of any 1372 00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:43,559 privatization that's actually run by 1373 00:58:49,339 --> 00:58:46,380 corporations it always failed they never 1374 00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:49,349 admit to failures but I again in debates 1375 00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:51,599 they will tell me one place that you 1376 00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,729 think has been a success with this there 1377 00:58:58,279 --> 00:58:56,160 isn't it right but if you mean by prize 1378 00:59:01,640 --> 00:58:58,289 it's like a friend of my mother's who's 1379 00:59:03,049 --> 00:59:01,650 a very well-known surgeon an agent in 1380 00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:03,059 public health and candidates been a 1381 00:59:08,180 --> 00:59:06,180 minister so they administer public up he 1382 00:59:09,620 --> 00:59:08,190 has a good friend who's unfortunately 1383 00:59:11,509 --> 00:59:09,630 since passed away 1384 00:59:14,029 --> 00:59:11,519 maybe he was placed in magista 1385 00:59:18,170 --> 00:59:14,039 christening huh he had a private system 1386 00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:18,180 of surgery that was incredibly more 1387 00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:21,420 efficient in wait times and in good 1388 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:24,660 results that is healthy results than any 1389 00:59:33,620 --> 00:59:28,970 other method and he could not get it in 1390 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:33,630 its tOA's and the demonstration was 1391 00:59:38,450 --> 00:59:36,450 clear the public sector did not want to 1392 00:59:40,279 --> 00:59:38,460 talk to him because it showed them up or 1393 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:40,289 that they were already as has 1394 00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,089 increasingly happened to were already 1395 00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:44,640 bought by the corporations hmm who had 1396 00:59:49,759 --> 00:59:46,440 done them favors and so forth which they 1397 00:59:52,219 --> 00:59:49,769 do on the inside lobby this is inside 1398 00:59:54,229 --> 00:59:52,229 lobbying going on all the time Nolan 1399 00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:54,239 stopped the privatized privatized 1400 00:59:58,700 --> 00:59:56,099 privatized and they're very aggressive 1401 01:00:01,459 --> 00:59:58,710 and there are ways in suits and I always 1402 01:00:04,999 --> 01:00:01,469 have deep voices and I always are very 1403 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:05,009 certain about what they own but they're 1404 01:00:10,459 --> 01:00:08,130 just drop again and that works because 1405 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:10,469 if it doesn't work then we won't fund 1406 01:00:16,099 --> 01:00:12,690 that guy in fact describing newspapers 1407 01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,109 exposed this the inflexibility yeah I'm 1408 01:00:20,839 --> 01:00:18,960 with you man we definitely talked about 1409 01:00:22,459 --> 01:00:20,849 a lot but I think probably one of the 1410 01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:22,469 most important things for people to take 1411 01:00:26,839 --> 01:00:25,140 away is that there is a huge divide and 1412 01:00:29,749 --> 01:00:26,849 conquer program in play and if we can 1413 01:00:31,309 --> 01:00:29,759 get over things like black and white get 1414 01:00:34,420 --> 01:00:31,319 over things like libertarian and 1415 01:00:37,279 --> 01:00:34,430 socialist and instead unite around that 1416 01:00:39,529 --> 01:00:37,289 priority of getting a better set of 1417 01:00:41,690 --> 01:00:39,539 principles to guide our system maybe 1418 01:00:44,089 --> 01:00:41,700 with that we can do something because we 1419 01:00:47,329 --> 01:00:44,099 do have the numbers and we've got the 1420 01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:47,339 life ground cool and oh I promise is you 1421 01:00:51,170 --> 01:00:49,049 know the simple is all the conditions 1422 01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:51,180 required to take your next breath is the 1423 01:00:54,109 --> 01:00:52,680 life ground and there are a lot of 1424 01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,119 conditions and 1425 01:00:58,999 --> 01:00:56,400 got to be of their prodding you are 1426 01:01:01,819 --> 01:00:59,009 consciousness and something to enable 1427 01:01:03,890 --> 01:01:01,829 not destroy and to enable through time 1428 01:01:07,549 --> 01:01:03,900 and the life capital is the formula for 1429 01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:07,559 that and we could work grounding you see 1430 01:01:12,620 --> 01:01:10,559 we're not women life grounded before no 1431 01:01:15,170 --> 01:01:12,630 serious man life grounded before as 1432 01:01:17,299 --> 01:01:15,180 really just taking things to down to 1433 01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:17,309 where it's self-evident that that's what 1434 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:20,190 we're for and all questions problems 1435 01:01:26,769 --> 01:01:23,970 really need that you know that to be the 1436 01:01:31,249 --> 01:01:26,779 lens through which you understand it 1437 01:01:33,259 --> 01:01:31,259 amen Wow well John this has been a real 1438 01:01:35,509 --> 01:01:33,269 treat for this college dropout to spend 1439 01:01:39,499 --> 01:01:35,519 some time with accomplished academic as 1440 01:01:41,059 --> 01:01:39,509 yourself well you know the reason we're 1441 01:01:44,420 --> 01:01:41,069 doing it is because you showed yourself 1442 01:01:47,150 --> 01:01:44,430 to be very informed and we're thinking 1443 01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:47,160 in the in principle terms I try and done 1444 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:49,740 many people do that oh it's been a 1445 01:01:53,390 --> 01:01:52,170 pleasure for me too great well thanks 1446 01:01:54,739 --> 01:01:53,400 for taking me up on the offer would you 1447 01:01:56,660 --> 01:01:54,749 like to remind the people where they can 1448 01:01:57,799 --> 01:01:56,670 follow up on your work or tell us about 1449 01:02:00,829 --> 01:01:57,809 anything else you're working on in the 1450 01:02:04,999 --> 01:02:00,839 future before we go well you can capture 1451 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:05,009 a lot of my book which is was published 1452 01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:07,730 in 2013 the cancer stage of capitalism 1453 01:02:13,539 --> 01:02:10,529 from crisis to cure and that an 1454 01:02:16,609 --> 01:02:13,549 encyclopedic book and then as for 1455 01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:16,619 articles and monographs that I've done 1456 01:02:20,779 --> 01:02:18,839 since I've done them all over the place 1457 01:02:22,940 --> 01:02:20,789 but the place that carries all of them 1458 01:02:25,339 --> 01:02:22,950 and archives all of them pretty well 1459 01:02:27,529 --> 01:02:25,349 except the one on 9/11 or only as part 1460 01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:27,539 of it I think it used to anyway but has 1461 01:02:33,319 --> 01:02:30,480 all my work I've done as a monographs 1462 01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:33,329 and articles that is really for a wider 1463 01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:36,329 audience is on global research so if you 1464 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:39,119 just if you just dial in on your 1465 01:02:45,579 --> 01:02:42,450 computer Google Global Research you'll 1466 01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:45,589 come up with all all of their work and 1467 01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,569 in my work is meeting the philosophical 1468 01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:50,400 underpinnings of whether it whatever I 1469 01:02:54,890 --> 01:02:52,680 can address what itself is essentially 1470 01:02:58,609 --> 01:02:54,900 current event problems and they have 1471 01:03:00,529 --> 01:02:58,619 archives of my work that run to you know 1472 01:03:02,059 --> 01:03:00,539 did it I don't even know how many 1473 01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:02,069 they're in there but there's more than a 1474 01:03:05,569 --> 01:03:03,660 book worth because they wanted to turn 1475 01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:05,579 it into a book but I said well you've 1476 01:03:11,089 --> 01:03:07,710 got it on archives you can house 1477 01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:11,099 and then also on PR and public radio 1478 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:14,640 network also you can google it and find 1479 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:16,770 it you'll find on archives a lot of 1480 01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:19,170 conversations like the ones we the one 1481 01:03:26,329 --> 01:03:22,020 we had today and you got you've got lots 1482 01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:26,339 of lots of me there although today I 1483 01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:28,530 talked about things that have not been 1484 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:31,260 heard before awesome a lot great to hear 1485 01:03:34,819 --> 01:03:33,690 him alright John well keep fighting the 1486 01:03:37,970 --> 01:03:34,829 good fight and take care out there 1487 01:03:39,380 --> 01:03:37,980 alright yet you use what break and 1488 01:03:42,290 --> 01:03:39,390 you're listening bye for now 1489 01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,300 will do alright alright Big John 1490 01:03:46,849 --> 01:03:44,880 McMurtry give it up for him I do 1491 01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:46,859 apologize for his phone quality 1492 01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:49,050 definitely one of the rougher ones in a 1493 01:03:52,940 --> 01:03:50,819 while big thanks to those who helped 1494 01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:52,950 make it better I do have a few people 1495 01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:54,960 who have contacted me over the years 1496 01:03:59,569 --> 01:03:57,480 about audio quality and when I get one 1497 01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:59,579 of these rougher interviews I run it 1498 01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:00,960 past them see if they can do a better 1499 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:04,500 job on it than I can and that's usually 1500 01:04:10,370 --> 01:04:07,410 the case so I did have some help and it 1501 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:10,380 was appreciated it would be nice if it 1502 01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:12,450 was a little more clear but this was the 1503 01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:15,420 only way to get him and I'm a big fan of 1504 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:18,119 John's book and the speeches he's given 1505 01:04:23,569 --> 01:04:21,210 on site-geist Day events I felt like it 1506 01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:23,579 was a unique message worth getting 1507 01:04:28,940 --> 01:04:26,190 despite all that plus I think the 1508 01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:28,950 libertarian let the free market free 1509 01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:31,380 kind of view is very ingrained in this 1510 01:04:36,170 --> 01:04:33,569 alternative world and I wanted to go the 1511 01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:36,180 other way for a change everybody knows 1512 01:04:40,970 --> 01:04:38,940 that's not my favorite paradigm but man 1513 01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:40,980 I know shows have been slow to come out 1514 01:04:45,319 --> 01:04:43,140 this month too the reason for that is 1515 01:04:47,420 --> 01:04:45,329 that I recorded several at the beginning 1516 01:04:49,940 --> 01:04:47,430 of the month because I knew I needed 1517 01:04:52,190 --> 01:04:49,950 some time to finish higher side clothing 1518 01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:52,200 which is officially done now anyone 1519 01:04:56,510 --> 01:04:54,240 who's connected with me on social media 1520 01:04:59,390 --> 01:04:56,520 will see that but if you haven't just go 1521 01:05:03,260 --> 01:04:59,400 to the higher side clothing dot-com and 1522 01:05:06,589 --> 01:05:03,270 we got 12 all-new full-color designs 1523 01:05:09,559 --> 01:05:06,599 amazing artwork all relating directly to 1524 01:05:12,049 --> 01:05:09,569 THC episodes it's pretty sick I'm very 1525 01:05:14,089 --> 01:05:12,059 proud of that and thanks to my special 1526 01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:14,099 lady you helped too but it did take us 1527 01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:16,559 some time so I recorded at the beginning 1528 01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,480 of the month got higher side clothing 1529 01:05:21,530 --> 01:05:20,640 launched and then had some Thanksgiving 1530 01:05:23,050 --> 01:05:21,540 obligations and 1531 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:23,060 now I'm working through the shows I have 1532 01:05:27,500 --> 01:05:25,530 to get them out before the end of the 1533 01:05:29,870 --> 01:05:27,510 month like I said in the beginning this 1534 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:29,880 episode was recorded the day before the 1535 01:05:34,940 --> 01:05:32,370 election so we didn't really know what 1536 01:05:36,530 --> 01:05:34,950 was gonna happen but I thought John made 1537 01:05:40,220 --> 01:05:36,540 it pretty clear that he saw some 1538 01:05:42,860 --> 01:05:40,230 positives in a trump win and I just been 1539 01:05:45,140 --> 01:05:42,870 saying how shocked I am that the Clinton 1540 01:05:48,020 --> 01:05:45,150 network was not only defeated like that 1541 01:05:50,930 --> 01:05:48,030 but exposed in a big way with pizza gate 1542 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:50,940 and the Podesta email leaked these are 1543 01:05:54,050 --> 01:05:52,290 interesting times but let me tell you 1544 01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:54,060 about these next two shows because they 1545 01:05:58,940 --> 01:05:56,220 tie into this pretty heavily so I talked 1546 01:06:01,730 --> 01:05:58,950 to John the day before the election and 1547 01:06:04,490 --> 01:06:01,740 then I recorded an interview with Daniel 1548 01:06:06,410 --> 01:06:04,500 Pinchbeck on the day after and it's a 1549 01:06:09,770 --> 01:06:06,420 weird episode it's a weird show because 1550 01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:09,780 my energy and Daniel's were in very 1551 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:12,810 different places that morning and we 1552 01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:14,970 have a fair amount of disagreements as 1553 01:06:19,790 --> 01:06:17,520 the interview goes on I mean you'll see 1554 01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:19,800 and then the next show after that is 1555 01:06:25,010 --> 01:06:22,260 with the legendary author of the secret 1556 01:06:26,810 --> 01:06:25,020 sun blog Chris Knowles and that's pretty 1557 01:06:28,550 --> 01:06:26,820 great too because we have a lot of the 1558 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:28,560 same thoughts about what's going on in 1559 01:06:33,230 --> 01:06:30,810 the power networks that's gonna be a 1560 01:06:35,630 --> 01:06:33,240 good one in that THC sweet spot that I 1561 01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:35,640 think a lot of people love to hang out 1562 01:06:40,820 --> 01:06:37,920 in and then we can close the books on 1563 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:40,830 November and we'll be getting to Amy 1564 01:06:47,690 --> 01:06:44,970 magic and qeq show soon a full-on Pizza 1565 01:06:49,610 --> 01:06:47,700 Gate show soon with David Seaman who is 1566 01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:49,620 really digging deep and playing with 1567 01:06:55,220 --> 01:06:52,680 fire looking into this exposed 1568 01:07:00,650 --> 01:06:55,230 pedophilia Network I mean his last tweet 1569 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:00,660 was if I die it is not a suicide so we 1570 01:07:06,110 --> 01:07:02,970 need to talk to him quick and hopefully 1571 01:07:08,570 --> 01:07:06,120 he stays safe in the next five days so 1572 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:08,580 these are happening people they are 1573 01:07:13,610 --> 01:07:11,450 happening I'm sorry for the delay 1574 01:07:15,110 --> 01:07:13,620 releasing shows but I have no more 1575 01:07:17,690 --> 01:07:15,120 t-shirt companies to launch going 1576 01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:17,700 forward so we should be better paced I 1577 01:07:22,460 --> 01:07:19,920 say that all the time but I do love you 1578 01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:22,470 guys thanks for listening I hope John's 1579 01:07:26,420 --> 01:07:24,510 points about the underlying value 1580 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:26,430 mechanisms were of interest to you and 1581 01:07:29,550 --> 01:07:27,850 hopefully we can get down 1582 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:29,560 the route and change some of our 1583 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:32,890 incentives around to be more respectful 1584 01:07:37,530 --> 01:07:35,890 of life capital sign up for plus if 1585 01:07:39,570 --> 01:07:37,540 you'd like to hear us go deeper into 1586 01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:39,580 that conversation and get into John's 1587 01:07:43,410 --> 01:07:41,680 thoughts on 9/11 as well as other good 1588 01:07:45,780 --> 01:07:43,420 stuff you know the drill 1589 01:07:46,740 --> 01:07:45,790 either way I've done what I can and I 1590 01:07:49,350 --> 01:07:46,750 wish you the best 1591 01:07:51,150 --> 01:07:49,360 your move market manipulators education 1592 01:07:52,890 --> 01:07:51,160 and doctrine aiders and structural 1593 01:07:59,700 --> 01:07:52,900 sorcerer's of the rockefeller rothschild 1594 01:08:06,450 --> 01:07:59,710 machine you're [\h__\h] they built a 1595 01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:06,460 little some crazy garbage called the 1596 01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:13,150 blood on the exploited working-class but 1597 01:08:24,210 --> 01:08:19,020 they know we're calling ma'am your 1598 01:08:30,450 --> 01:08:24,220 highness and the world screams save me 1599 01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:30,460 THC they destroyed the bonds of 1600 01:08:39,630 --> 01:08:34,620 friendship and respect between the only 1601 01:08:41,660 --> 01:08:39,640 people left who'd even look them in the 1602 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:41,670 eye 1603 01:08:51,059 --> 01:08:46,930 now they laugh and make a fortune of the 1604 01:09:11,790 --> 01:08:51,069 same ones that they tortured and a world 1605 01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:11,800 screams save me THC let's go away now we 1606 01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:18,460 are the only one who can tell me if it's 1607 01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:31,120 true - they built a little Empire out of 1608 01:09:37,980 --> 01:09:36,370 some crazy garbage called the blood of 1609 01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:37,990 the exploited 1610 01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:40,809 working class 1611 01:09:49,149 --> 01:09:45,440 but they've overcome their shyness 1612 01:10:00,180 --> 01:09:49,159 now we're calling them your highness and